Why does everyone have a huge boner for Diesel?

The problem I see though is that Toyota is lazy. A Colorado with a new diesel still wont outsell the same worn out 2nd gen with an 8 year old gas engine. They could just sit there and not give a flyin f because the position they are in isn't in jeopardy.

 

Thats why there's a 2012 5.7 Ram behind my truck.


Naw the Prius C is a Toyota and hopefully more durable than that shitty 2011 Hyundai Sonata Limited. I will never buy a Korean vehicle.

 

Is that a serious question?

 

I've always loved that Southpark, but you also know their "market research" is complete garbage right? That episode is from 2006.

One of the main reasons the prius brand sells better is because everyone knows it's a hybrid.

Another reason, especially at that time, though things like the ford cmax means this is still true is that the prius is designed to be a hybrid. On most other models, the placement of the batteries has been an afterthought and so to drive a hybrid not called prius, you had to, usually, give up some cargo room.

The episode was hilarious because we all know THAT prius guy, but it's clearly not representative of all prius drivers.

My super frugal navy seal brother-in-law loves his, and if most of us tried rolling coal next to him, we'd like earn an ass whoopin'

 

Honda has had a lot of battery issues that Toyota has not had and the Prius does much better that the Civic Hybrid for mpg. I wouldn't consider a Honda hybrid for that reason.

No denying that lots of people buy the Prius for it's obvious Hybrid credentials. My wife's ex-boss and head of marketing admitted he didn't even consider anything but the Prius and Prius is how he "brands" himself to others. He could have been a lot more earth friendly if he didn't decide to live in south Denver and commute to Boulder 130 miles round trip commute every day. His wife also worked there and they did even carpool. But they sure looked green.

 

I also think Honda's have been weak hybrids. That's about to change with the new fit family and I'm sure it will start to extend into the other models, but pound for pound, Toyota has been heads and tails better than the competition wrt to hybrid technology. The others are now starting to catch up.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/163462-honda-fit-86-mpg-from-the-next-hyper-efficient-hybrid

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QKOtjr9U0g


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i personally know the owner.

 

Accelerating uphill on a 6% grade with a 170HP/260 torque diesel in 4th gear? Yeah, that's a serious question. I easily went from 55 to 70 in 4th gear uphill on a 6% grade then upshifted to 5th to maintain that speed, I doubt the D4D could. If you say it can, that's fine with me.

 

torque, how does it work?

 

stock 3.4
Output is 190 hp (142 kW) at 4800 rpm with 220 lb·ft (298 Nm) of torque at 3600 rpm


stock 4.0
Output is 236 hp (176 kW) at 5200 rpm with 266 lb·ft (361 N·m) of torque at 4000 rpm on 87 octane

stock 1VD

Maximum power: Single turbo:202 hp @ 3400 rpm; Twin turbo: 261 hp at 3400 rpm[2]
Maximum torque: Single turbo: 317 lb·ft @ 1200-3200 rpm; Twin turbo:479 lb·ft @ 1600-2600 rpm

 

So just curious, was this guy in the canyon aware that he was apparently racing you? You act like the thing was struggling to make it up the hill, yet you weren't driving it, so you have no idea.

All of you posts citing the HP and torque numbers are very misleading, you have obviously never driven a diesel of any sort. You realize torque is really what makes you accelerate right? and the diesel has just as much as your truck and is making it at a lower rpm.

Now I'm not saying diesel is always better. They are different types of engines and each have their advantages, but i get very annoyed seeing people like you constantly talking out your ass when you are wrong. One of the most intriguing things about a turbo diesel is the tunability. Pretty much the only way to get more power in our trucks currently is a very expensive supercharger. well look at diesel tuning, you can buy a fairly cheap programmer and net some serious gains just by altering a few parameters. so suddenly the numbers just jumped way up and all you had to do was plug in a scan tool or piggyback. obviously depends on the engine, but that is a sweet part of turbos.

 

But would you buy a Korean wife?

 

Yep.

The d4d makes peak torque early and lasts through almost it's entire range, it's a pretty flat line.

In other words where you really have to drop some gears to make torque with the 1gr, the 1kd will produce torque much earlier at lower RPMs and it'll propel you up the hill just as quickly, if not more so, and with less effort. I know that's pretty much what you just said but I wanted to reinforce it.

 

Hey guys, from the recent discussion, I may be able to provide some info that will help you to understand the situation a little better.
The relationship between horsepower and torque can be best illustrated by a fire hose, the more horsepower, the farther it shoots, the more torque, the bigger the diameter of the stream.
Diesel engines are compression ignition, almost always made of steel for this higher compression, and operate at a lower rpm in order to allow time for the fuel to oxidize as it has a much higher btu per pound content.
Gasoline engines require an external ignition source, run at much lower pressures, can operate at much higher rpms, and are lighter than an equivalent displacement diesel motor.
A gasoline engine can be tuned to either have a large difference between horsepower and torque (for faster acceleration) or a narrow difference (for hauling and towing) while a diesel engine is more restrained by the geometry of the compression chamber.
Diesel engines can be designed to operate at different rpm ranges, but you have a difficult time retuning a diesel engine from its design.
The US has the most refinery output per person in the world, and gasoline is a by-product of refining diesel/jet/home heating oil/kerosene.
Toyota makes diesels for the areas of the world where gasoline is much less plentiful, and the emissions requirements are far less stringent.
Perhaps if we had a gov't that valued stability and growth instead of reaping the rewards of chaos, you would see a diesel engine for the Taco.
Just remember that you will also need a completely different transmission as very few diesels ever top 3000rpm without a turbo. Some run as slow as 15 rpm.

 

Very well written murph

 

A 3.0l turbodiesel D4D with 160HP and 260 torque is not gonna outperform a 4.0l with 236HP and 266 torque. You did notice the 4.0 has more torque, right?

As for chipping, that same South African website I posted above had this discussion about chipping the D4D: http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=120169

There's some other discussion about the D4D vs the 4.0 if you look around, not all of them are so giddy about the D4D vs the 4.0.

There really isn't a performance upgrade with a D4D as it sits now, and if there's an initial cost premium for the D4D it will take you 100,000 miles to recoup that cost difference. If you chip it to get the HP and torque boost, that's gonna cost you in MPG which lengthens the mileage to recoup the initial cost difference.

 

So you're saying that the canyon has the equivalent of a D4D in it?
How do you know that?

Murph: I was just giving specs for 3 different toyota engines

 

nice thing about the d4d is the power potential vs cost. since the d4d is already boosted, its as simple as turning up the boost and fuel, where as the 4.0 1gr you need to throw down 5g's + to boost the thing. you can probably make more torque and close to the same hp turning up the boost and fuel on the d4d, that you get on a super charged 1gr for a lot less money and have way better mpg. also getting more power out of the d4d doesn't mean huge mpg losses, sometimes you even get better mpg but usually you may only lose 1 or 2 mpg, but 24 mpg is still better the 17.

 

Excellent post.

 

Of course I don't know what a prototype Canyon has under the hood. All I can tell you is what I already said by my observation. I can guarantee you a 160HP/260 torque motor will not outperform a 236HP/266 torque motor.