Why does everyone have a huge boner for Diesel?

Ill give u that the 4.0 will out do it(a little 6lbs of torque is gonna be hardly noticeable unless the d4d out weighs the gasser by a good bit) on top end, but I doing for everyday driving it out does it. if put money on the diesel winnin that since torque is available much sooner. Again peak torque is at cruising speed instead of 4200 right?

 

From your link

While about 1% of vehicles sold in the U.S. are diesel, it's been determined that about 3.5% of Canadians buy diesel vehicles (more than hybrid and electric vehicles). This statistic is achieved with very few diesel options available (particularly in the car and light-truck market). It's estimated that 40% of VW (and 75-80% of Mercedes-Benz) customers will choose diesel when given both options. Canadian customers tend to prefer efficiency and resale value while U.S. customers continue to have a negative impression of diesel engines because of historical experiences with the technology from the 1980s.

 

Ok, just making sure.
Yes, i agree with you.

Also, my grandpas car is a merc e320 cdi

 

That is rated 32 highway and grandpa is getting 54? I can get 37 mpg on my 27 rated 5-lug with heavy hypermiling, but grandpa can get 22 mpg over epa just driving eh?

But then you sourced the NCPA (CNW Marketing did the study) that grossly falsified it's analysis of Prius vs Hummer so I have my doubts on grandpa's merc.

 

More performance enhancing drugs available for a diesel for one thing. Engine wear is at a slightly slower pace so they last a little longer.

 

Yeah, long ago when that Dust to Dust BS first came out.

People still believe that the Prius created the Sudbury Canada nickel mine, even though there's no merit in blaming Toyota for the Sudbury nickel smelter. Among them: a smelters's been there for more than a century, Toyota doesn't own it or run it, Toyota's purchases from them are a minscule fraction of Sudbury's output, all cars use nickel (in alloys such as stainless steel and elsewhere) and it's not clear that the extra 22 lbs of nickel in the Prius NIMH batteries mean that the Prius in fact uses more nickel.

Haters gonna believe what they want about the Prius so it's easy to get them to believe they knew all along Prius are bad, and they are smart.

 

Yeah, I think Toyota would have to bring a little more punch. From that Australian link I posted above the Ranger 5-cyl 3.2l turbodiesel has quite a bit more punch than the D4D. The Nissan also.

And that's really what is needed for the North American market is more punch for the buck.

 

Eh, you never really know how a vehicle will sell until it hits the market. Car buyers like with VW, yeah, they'll buy a diesel. Mercedes buyers? I tend to think no they actually won't. Mercedes diesels are taxis, they're not performance luxury cars, I'm surprised to see that 75-80% number.

For mid-size trucks I say only about 20% will actually buy them. Have to wait and see.

 

those figures are for cars that have " hit the market "

 

I think a D4D will outperform a 4.0 while towing because of the torque curve and powerband, specially in hilly areas. And the fuel efficiency will be even more evident when towing or off roading, specially in deep sand where I have gone through a full tank in my taco on a 60 mile stretch of isolated beach I go fishing and camping at. D4D will never win a drag race though. Also D4D engines easily see the 1 million km mark no problem. My good friend has a Hilux fleet in Liberia, Africa, says the engines outlive the trucks in the worst conditions. I wouldn't even chip the D4D, 30mpg+ hw, low range torque and longevity is all I need.

 

"Estimated" means they haven't gone on the market. "If given the option" means they haven't gone on the market.

 

Peak torque at 1k rpms, some people just have no clue.

 

Toyota just released a 4.5l v8 d4d with better specs on everything

 

A D4D with 260 torque is not gonna outperform a 4.0 with 266 torque. The torque band with the 4.0 makes peak at about 2900 RPM and stays flat up to the 5500 redline (as I posted above from the dyno tests).

The only advantage the D4D has over the 4.0 is fuel efficiency and lowend grunt. And from what I've seen from that South Africa website I posted above a couple times they're not universally pimping the D4D. It won't get "30MPG + hw", and they've tested it out for many years.

Looks like with the D4D you'll certainly get the lowend grunt and that's real nice, but at a premium price. You'll get about 33% better fuel mileage, that's real nice also, but it might require 100,000 miles to recoup that premium initial price.

Like I've said many times, a diesel is a niche market, I figure only about 20% of buyers will get one. Hence why Toyota is reluctant to bring it in.

 

While about 1% of vehicles sold in the U.S. are diesel, it's been determined that about 3.5% of Canadians buy diesel vehicles (more than hybrid and electric vehicles).

 

No it doesn't, to me it looks like it makes peak torque at about 3900 rpm(222 lbs), rated peak at 4000 rpm by toyota. At 2900 rpm it's making about 160 lbs to the wheels on a dynojet and would be even lower on a mustang dyno, pretty weak. Good luck on a mountain pass towing something near limit.

Peak Torque Numbers are as follows:

Chevy 254 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm
Suzuki 222 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Toyota 222 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm
Nissan 208 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm
Ford 186 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm
GMC 184 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm
Honda 184 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

 

1. Torque/power
2. bio-fuel
3. reliability and capable of incredibly high mileage with minimal repairs

that's enough too make me want one

 

Diesel
Turbo diesel
Sound good
Diesel
Rolling coal
Turbo sounds cool
Diesel smells like diesel
Turbos make boost
Turbos look like snails
Snails are sneaky
Diesels are sneaky
Turbo diesels are so cool

 

300 HP / 89 MPG VW diesel / electric hybrid SUV

http://youtu.be/BifOCShfw54

 

Diesel generator hybrid is the future, best of both worlds. Don't think the oil companies are happy about that technology, Washington will make it difficult no doubt. Audi is sweeping races with it, even with weight penalties to help the competition at Lemans. The diesel Audis have been dominating the comp since 2000 and now the hybrid diesels, includng this year at LeMans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R18

Volvo is in the game too, 143 mpg, who knows what that is in the real world though.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/16/review_volvo_v60_plug_in_hybrid_4wd/