ToyTec CoilOver Differences

Hey guys,

I can't figure out what the difference is here. Are the red springs not Eibach? Is it really a $200 difference for the tools and swaybar mounts?

http://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/ToyTec-Coil-Overs-FJ-03-UP-4Run-05-UP-Tacoma_p_13.html

http://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/ToytecBilstein-height-adjustable-coilovers_p_363.html

Thanks for the help...

 

The toytec coil overs are eibach and they sell them in red and silver

 

If I were you I would buy the toytec kit without the coilvers assembled

 

Same shock and coils. But you can get different coils with the adjustable ones. And they are adjustable..

For the price. Get some other ones for a bit more that will be rebuild able and revalveable.

 

So it's the same 5100 series Bilstein adjustable shock with the same Eibach springs in both set-ups.. I'm pretty sure they're both adjustable (at least that's what the desc says and if its the same shock I would assume they would both be adjustable. I did see the non-assembled 'red spring' package and I may end up with that too. The main motivation behind finding out the difference is the truck is a PreRunner and will spend most of its life on pavement so I was going to see if (when I thought they may be different springs) one had a smoother ride than the other. That would be lower spring rate correct?

Thanks for the help

 

They are both adjustable but the normal 5100s just have 4 settings you can set the bottom coil bucket at. The red ones are infinitely adjustable with basically a big ass nut for the bottom coil buck.

 

Both kits use the same base shock. The first kit adds an adjustable, threaded collar so you can easily add more preload using the spanner wrench.

The second kit still uses the base 5100 shock but they will be set at the .85 setting and utilize a thicker top plate in order to get a full 3" of lift. You would only be able to lower this kit by disassembling the coilover and moving the lower spring seat to the 0 setting but, like I said, you have to disassemble the shock to do so.

Just between those 2 kits, if you want a full 3" of lift, the second kit would be better in my opinion because you won't need to preload the coils as much. If you want to be somewhere lower than 3", I would buy the first kit as the 2nd does not offer adjustability.

I would also consider the OME kits if I were you. The stiff Eibach coils tend to ride rough when preloaded.

 

Gotcha I was not catching on that there was a nut on the one and the snapri vs on the other. I just figured they all had the snap rings. Thanks for the help guys, I'm catching on slowly but surely...

So the OMEs are actually softer ride you think?

 

I would say yes, they have a softer spring rate and don't require as much preload to get the lift you want. I have the Eibachs on 5100s set at 0, which is good for about 1.5" of lift. It rides decent but they are a stiff coil and I wouldn't want to preload them any more to get more lift.

 

The key is weight is needed to soften them up. Eibachs are a 620lb spring rate. Think 886s are 590? or 580..can't remember. They are nice with a bumper up front.

 

I may be blind, but I can't find an OME kit for just front. ID need OME shocks, coil over springs. What dictates whether ill need the swaybar brackets? Also, does anyone know of a good thread discussing ride quality? I feel its so hard to differentiate in here between 'smooth' and 'tight' I've seen posts that talk about the Bilsteins and Eibachs being 'really smooth' and then right behind it someone will say they're rough. Anyone owned several different suspensions and actually care about ride on pavement? I guess I should just go ride/drive some myself.....

 

No matter what..it all comes down to personally preference. Everyone thinks everything is a bit different from everyone else.

No matter what it'll be better then what you have.

 

Yes, DB lift, coil lift, adjustable shock lift, combos and lastly spindle lifts (not all on a Tacoma though). For 2wd I cannot say this enough, but a spindle lift is the way to go. I cannot believe it hasn't been mentioned here as another option (at least I think it hasn’t???).

Lift height is anywhere between 3.5"-4" depending on manufacturer and the quality of ride is maintained. To me with all the trucks I've lifted, for a 2wd truck spindles are the best starting point and when coupled with a good set of shocks you can't go wrong. Want to go more towards performance, add some Coilovers adjusted with little to no preload. To take things a step further uniball UCAs and extended travel COs (full mid travel) is the answer and again quality of ride is maintained.

You do just coils and say Billies, you’ll push your suspension down to get lift and stiffen things up a bit due to the new spring weight. Remember your 2wd truck weighs less then a 4x4 so perhaps the lift on a 4x4 truck might be great with eibachs/OME coils and Billies, but likely not as good for a 2wd truck weighing 100s less up front.

As I always say, do as much research as possible until you are blue in the face.

Oh and if your fine with just a 2” lift or less and want a quality ride, consider just coilovers (FOX, King, Icon, Sway-a-way, Radflo) and swap the 600 lb coils with 550. You could look at the 2.0 diameter COs first for affordability.

 

Eibachs are 620 #/in, 886 coils are right around 650 #/in. The 883/884/885 coils are all 580 #/in (those 3 are made from the same coil, just different lengths to provide different amounts of lift).

A huge part of 'tight' vs. 'smooth' is the shock. A 650# spring with a really good shock will ride better than a 540# spring with an inadequate shock. My opinion on 5100's and Eibachs is the 5100's do a good job dampening the heavy spring (keep in mind that my Eibachs are not preloaded like the ones in the kit you're looking at). Over time, however, I've noticed that the 5100's seem to 'stiffen up' and you feel a lot more and it seems to ride a bit rougher on choppy roads. This would happen with Eibach or OME coils since it's the shock that's making it ride that way.

OME makes coils and shocks. OME coils can be mated with 5100's (although if you end up with 886 coils, I would put them with OME shocks personally). The OME shocks have great reviews and seem to offer a nice ride on and off road although I've never riden on them for a comparison. I suggested OME because their coils will get you the amount of lift you want by offering taller coils instead of preloading a shorter coil to gain lift.

 

Eibach's = 620#
OME 884X = 590#
OME 885X = 590# + 10mm longer
OME 886X = 660#

Matt