Do you think all Pit-Bulls are bad?

Probably owners fault as well. Rotts are good dogs too.

 

Only reason kids were attacked is because some dogs aren't good around kids. There are a ton of dogs that are like that. The owners should know that before hand. Unless the kid is old enough to realize when to leave a dog alone. And here is a ferocious Rotty:

 

What you are actually saying is that poodle owners are assholes. Dogs are just imprints of the personalities of their owners.

 

You can say it's the owners' fault all you want, but look at the numbers. Then read the stories under the graph.

I have no doubt in my mind that someone has had that pitbull for 5 years, and it's never harmed a fly. That it does great with kids, or is the favorite dog at the dog park. That one time he "snaps" it's going to be "BAD". Maybe it won't happen, maybe it will, but the numbers show pitbulls do it more then any other dog.

I'm sure bad owners play a part in it, but labs and great danes have bad owners too. Don't really hear about them mauling a person or killing the neighbor's dog as much. There's a reason.

Now I love pit bulls. I think they are beautiful dogs. But I would never own one for the simple fact that I don't want to take the chance of ending up like many others with a dead family member and a dog that's never shown aggression before.

My brother and I had this same conversation a couple years ago. He had a pitbull and swore up and down about it's the nicest dog ever. I have no doubt in my mind that it was either. He had two dogs, got them both at the same time, both puppies. One day though, he was taking the two dogs outside for a walk like always. Pitbull saw another dog, and off he went, killed that dog in about two seconds. Pretty much ended the ongoing argument right there. If taking the dogs to the dog park daily, giving them homecooked food, getting them groomed, taking them to fields and running them around is a bad owner then I guess you can chalk that one up to the "Bad owner, not bad dog" idea.

 

83% of statistics are made up on the spot

 

I see what you did there

 

I will... but only because it's true. A bad owner can make a potentially good dog into an actually bad one.

I did... and fully acknowledge that some breeds make far better assault weapons than others. But regardless of that fact, a dog is still the personal responsibility of its owner, because a dog is a living expression of its owner's personality.

 

I've only known two personally and they are/were some of (RIP Axle) the nicest, chillest, friendliest dogs I've ever known.

Both lived with kids, babies, cats, etc... So very sweet.

 

No dog is bad until an owner makes him bad. The worst eff'n most vicious dog I ever met was my Uncle's toy poodle. Little bastard would do a silent attack by running and launching directly for your junk. I could have easily broken that little phucker's neck!

Best dogs we've ever owned for family, other pets, uniformed people, babies, and strangers? Rottweiler. Bar none, best dog ever in my book.

 

I'm not denying that a bad owner can turn a good dog bad. Simple disagreeing with the statements that pits are only "bad" or do bad things because of their owner.

I don't understand why people get so butt hurt about pitbulls? I can grab you guys some tissue if you'd like. It's not a hit on any of the owners of pitbulls out there, it's just one of those things.

Reminds me of those 2wd vs. 4wd threads. You can do whatever you want to your pre runner, but it's still a prerunner. Yet dudes get all butt hurt and try to defend the offroad capabilities of their tacoma.

Nobody is making fun of you guys or judging you for owning a pit bull. People are just going off numbers and what they have experienced. If it were labs going around killing the most and pits not, then people would have the same to say about labs. Get over it. You can google all you want and see the numbers. I'm sure there are a couple surveys out there made up by some pit bull owner showing chows or rottweilers as the number 1, but come on. You're only lying to yourself if you try to believe that.

 

My dog will attack.





















only on my command.

Queensland Blue Heelers for the win.

 

Also, most small dog bites probably aren't reported.

 

Very true. And I will add Siberian To the MFW list.

 

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It boggles my mind why people are so surprised at why pits and pit mixes/or what media calls "pitbulls" are attacking other dogs....

Let's get down to the basics: before even dog registries formed, American pitbulls WERE BRED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF CANINE COMBAT. It's in the damn name "PIT" BULL(DOG). The first iterations("bull & Terrier") of this breed well before it hit American shores were used for ratting and sometimes baiting large livestock. When they landed in America, they were refined(via selective line breeding) to be pure dog fighting machines for gentlemen sport and dogmen hobby.

Now what I don't understand is why people feel the correlation of "taking good care of a dog" should by some miracle offset it's genetic predisposition to dog aggression. Anyone? That's like a parole officer preaching to an inmate who just shanked someone that jumped him "I don't get it, we fed you, gave you recreation time, and a bed why did you stab him?" It's terrible rhetoric to ONCE AGAIN try to humanize what cannot be avoided genetically...and genetically pitbulls have dog aggression hard wired by selective breeding over hundreds of years.

Over time the dog aggression has slowly been watered down(not ELIMINATED let's make that clear) through breeding since it is no longer a necessity for the modern owner, but still very much a trait that all pitbulls possess whether it is shown outright or shown after another dog has chosen to engage a pitbull---like I said earlier some pits can be much "hotter" than others. Some might not even react at all, there are those pitbulls too.

That being said, why anyone would take a genetically known dog aggressive breed into a dog park is beyond me....and even more confusing is why people are so surprised dog on dog attacks happen with PITBULLS!

Look, I know a lot of people love their pitbulls(me included), but being a RESPONSIBLE owner starts well before the puppy enters your domain. Providing a good home, food, and exercise are merely the implied duties of a responsible owner, but to be a GOOD responsible owner is knowing everything there is to know about the breed you choose....Knowing what to expect behavior wise and more important knowing ALL potential predispositions! Obedience training is how the owners MANAGE and HARNESS these predispositions in order for the dog to function normally in society.

If you choose a rottie, German Shepherd, doberman etc....you should already know they're predisposed to human aggression with strangers, it's part of what makes them wonderful personal protection dogs!

If you choose a border collie....you should already know/expect they might nip and stare since that's their natural herding instinct.

If you choose a lab...you should probably assume they'll wanna jump in your pool being the retrievers they are.

If you're trying to make a breed something it isn't, you're owning the wrong breed for you're expectations.

Taking pitbulls to dog parks where there are owners letting dogs free run should be kept at an absolute minimum. It's common sense.

Don't put bullets in the gun if you're not prepared to deal with what happens if/when the trigger is pulled. Simple as that.
Pitbulls are not SUPPOSED to be dogs that will take kindly to other dogs, so stop trying to blame the breed for something that it isn't.

 

That's fine if we each have different views.

Hey, you know a similar case could be made if a pit was a gun. Some dogs can do more damage than others in the hands of a bad owner. But ultimately all the personal responsibility for a gun or a dog rests on the owner.

Pits are like AK 47's while some other breeds are more like Ruger 10/22's.

In Los Angeles, pits are the gangbanger dog of choice, because they need dogs to guard their dope stashes.

Greg

 

Pitts aren't bad, people are. And abuse of them is rampant. Rescues saves lives.

Here are before (top) and after (bottom) pics of PI.

 

Totally wrong Sir.

My female pit bull was a ex fighter, suffered a lot of abuse, was a stray for over 6-8 months, and goes to the dog park 2-4 times a month for the last 8 years. Never once even raised her teeth at any other dog or every had any issues.

Why, because the second we got her we made sure she was around little kids, little dogs, big dogs, lots and lots of different people, and totally fucked with her whenever we could. She'd yawn, we'd grab her tongue and hold it or just put our fist in her mouth. We would grab food from her while she ate, wake her up mid sleep to wrestle, etc, etc,. We wanted her to get used to being fucked with all the time. Her tolerance is amazing and she has never once shown any aggression towards anything. My 5 lb Chihuahua steals food right out of her bowl while she's eating and she doesn't care one bit. My buddies 2 year old pulled herself up with her ears. The 5 month old puppy chews on her, steals her toys, takes her food and yet, no aggression.

The owner makes the dog. Yes, there are 'bad eggs' just like people but ALL dogs can snap regardless of size or breed. You piss anything off enough and it will get pissed and lash out at you. If you know your dog well and trained it good, you'll see signs of aggression and put a stop to it before it happens. Going back to the original point, its all about the owner's and training.