New England B.S. Thread

yeah Billy, I don't think anyone was ripping on you, but people are somewhat curious about unions as not everyone is a member of one.

 

Chris I dont have an issue with you. Mike is just a shit starter and a condescending ass that knows everything at the ripe old age of punk. Every time he graces us by stopping in the tone in here gets nasty

 

'tis a very versatile word with many uses.

 

as Dane cook says, it is the BEST word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4wrKlqe6Fo

 

Dane Cook is a giant douche canoe that isnt funny.

Thats all I've got for today!

 

Haha, agreed! He's an arrogant ass, can't stand him. That BS stunt he pulled at the Boston Strong benefit was a true testament to him being douche canoe level expert.

 

Shrug. There's considerably more to it than just that, actually.
"Right to Work" is actually officially known as the Labor Management Relations Act of 1947, or the Taft-Hartley act.
It covers everything from preventing closed shops to imposing restrictions on striking to preventing union leaders from trying to overthrow the government in the name of communism (not kidding).

While employers are required to OFFER the same deal as the collective bargaining to employees at will, the employee is not required to accept that offer. They can in fact negotiate their own terms, independent of what the Union has obtained for their members. The employees may often choose not to do so, since collective bargaining usually nets better results, but they do have that option.
So-called "right to work" acts give individual employees the choice of joining a union or not. Frequently employees will choose to join up, but if they choose not to do so, they don't have to pay the dues to NOT belong.

 

but get all of our benefits... exactly what I said!

 

yeah, I don't understand how anybody finds him funny.
Kind of like Bob Marley. I laugh at some of his stuff, but it's more laughing AT him rather than WITH him.

 

No, try again.
They have to be OFFERED the same deal that union members get. They don't have to accept it. They can negotiate their own if they choose to do so, if they can get a better one with their employer on their own (if, for instance, they are a particularly valuable employee, it's not necessarily in their best interest to get the same deal as everybody else)

 

Unions
FTMFW

 

Haha, I hear you there. Bob Marley calls into a radio station I listen to in the morning and his 'off the cuff' stuff is actually pretty funny. His stand up though, well that's another story...

 

so basically they get the same benefits as the union without paying or doing any of the work the union did to get them. i get it now.

 

Let me give you an example:
Let's say a 20-year mechanic with a crapton of ASE certifications gets hired at a Union shop. He was making $80K a year at his old job, but the best the Union has negotiated at the current shop for somebody with his experience and certifications is $65K per year. So he decides to negotiate with his employer himself, and works out a $75k per year salary on his own.
Now, in a non-right-to-work state, he's got to pay Union dues even though he had to negotiate for himself. In a right-to-work state, he doesn't have to.

 

I'd be pissed if i wasn't in a union but had to pay dues....

 

I know what you're saying, but it never happens. employers have no duty to bargain with individuals, as they do with collective bargaining units. It would be in the employers best interest not to in this case anyways, hence, why it never happens.

so back to what I was saying, it gives people the same benefits without having to pay for or work for them.

and you don't pay union dues if you're not in a union, even in a non right to work state, you just don't get their benefits either, nor are you entitled to them.

 

The example I just gave you is from personal experience. The mechanic I was talking about joined a shop where all the mechanics were Union. He worked twice as fast as any of the other employees in the shop, and had more experience than most of them, as well as more certifications. Since the boss didn't want to lose him as an employee, he negotiated terms of employment separately. And since Maine isn't a Right-to-Work state, he still had to pay dues to the Union that negotiated him a bad deal. The reason I know this is because he used to complain about it constantly.
Employers negotiate with employees all the time, especially if they don't want to lose a talented one.
I don't have anything against Unions; the Union guys I've worked with have all been good hard workers and good people.
But, the Union isn't always the best option for everybody.

As for the Bold print above, that depends entirely on the Union.

 

that guy lucked out then. it doesn't ever happen, and its not common, nor does it happen all the time as you describe. the employer HAS to bargain with a bargaining unit, it does NOT have to with individual employees, by law. that guys boss could've told him to go fuck himself, and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

also, depending on the union contract, that situation could have been grieved by the union, in which the employer would have to pay this guy what everyone else makes, or raise everyone elses pay. I can tell you that there aren't many unions that would stand for hiring new employees for more money than current ones.