NASCAR 2013 Season

So it was crappy for you, not just a crappy season in general.

I don't think the season was terrible, but it was close, the only thing that saved it were these new gen 6 cars, better racing, not great racing by no means, but better.

 

Opinion question:


What would you rather see?


A) An increased fuel tank so drivers have to worry about tires more and less about "start saving me fuel".


B) A decreased sized fuel tank so cars have to pit more frequently. Thus allowing for more room for error because of the human element on pit road and pit strategy.

 

B for sure.

 

I copied this from yahoo

COMMENTARY | With Jimmie Johnson winning his sixth championship with a ninth-place finish at Homestead-Miami Speedway, it just further proves why the Chase has been a negative thing for NASCAR and the sport as a whole.
This championship pulls Johnson within one of tying the record of seven championships won by Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty. Without the Chase, this would only be his third title and put him in line to still be a huge part of the history of this sport. By no means should what Johnson has put together this year be taken away or downplayed, but he has been over-glorified by a system that he has found a way to take advantage of.
The only other drivers that would have won a championship specifically because of the Chase are Kurt Busch in 2004 and Tony Stewart in 2011. While it would hurt their legacies to no longer have this recognition, it shows gives backing to how the Chase has been a bad thing

 

While I am not a big FAN of the chase, I don't fault it either. Nascar has to constantly try to do what they can to fill the stands. Do you think this last race would have had the stands full if Jimmie or Kensenth, or any other driver, had the championship locked before the start of the race? No, because for a ton of people, there is no reason to show if there is no excitement. The chase has done what it was designed to do: fill more seats near the end of the season. For many years the last 5 races or so, stands would be less than 3/4 full. That is lost revenue. Nascar is a business, just like everything else. And the purpose of a business is to do what it can to maximize profit. Unfortunately Nascar has slipped from it's roots. One thing for sure, we will probably never see it back like it used to be when Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, and Bobby Allison raced. Sure, a lot of people hate the chase, but obviously there are enough people who LIKE the chase, because it is still here. It prevents any one driver from getting a run-away season. Come up with a VIABLE better idea and submit it for consideration. I'd be open to something reasonable. And no, I don't mean just get rid of the chase and go back to the old way. You have to come up with an idea that keeps the stands filled, and the drivers competitive.

 

That's the problem with the chase
Your penalized for being good.

You want to mess up the NASCAR system?????
He's a short track Sat. night trick.
Make it a claiming race.
Winner has to give up his car to the last place car that has no damage.
That car needs to be run the next week.
WHY ???????
I don't know...
You said another idea Bill..... Hehehe
ORRRRRRRRR
SHORT TRACK STYLE.
Invert the start.
Make them come up through the field. Get plenty of action and accidents then.
Just what everyone wants.......

Or.

Split the season into 3 parts with points changing each part. So if someone has a real bad first and second part. If they win a couple of races they can win the championship.

Or
New cars.
Drive them off the lot and put the safety equipment in them and drive them.
Front wheel drive, awd. Rwd.
NAAAAAAAA to sports car....

No more multi car teams....
No backup cars.
Go back to swapping engines and trans etc if you want without losing your starting spot.

 

My personal thoughts on the last few pages of conversation:

1)NASCAR should've red flagged the Nationwide race, that caution was ridiculous. I wanted to see Hornish have a legit shot at winning it. That being said, I was pulling for Dillon because I played football with his gas man (Tyler Rader)

2) There needs to be a limit on how many races a Cup driver can race. 42 should be the max. NASCAR is the ONLY sport where a pro can step down into a lower level of competition to play, with the exception of MLB but that is usually for rehab assignments or players not performing well. You'll never see Big Papi jump down to Pawtucket to hit some HRs on an off day! I'm tired of seeing Busch, BK, Logano, and Hamlin take money from teams who need the money.

3) If Dillon is going to run the #3 in the Sprint Cup, he better perform like DE did. I don't agree with RCR bringing back the #3, I don't care if Jr gave it his blessing. If Dillon becomes another average driver, it'll be a disgrace to the #3.

4) 90% of the haters on Jimmie and the Chase are nothing but hippocrites. I didn't hear one outcry the past two seasons about how the chase needs to be reformed. Even when Smoke won 5 of the 10 races after going winless and barely making the Chase in the regular season. I do agree with the Chase format, it brings something to the table. I think NASCAR could benefit from changing the schedule to some different tracks, however leave out the two road courses. But what if Jimmie dominates on a different format? I'm sure the haters will still bitch and moan. I bet if Jr pulled off 5 in a row no one would be complaining. Hater gonna hate

5) I'm curious to see how next season plays out. Harvick and Kurt have kinda made Stewart Haas a potential powerhouse. Newman and Dillon going to be with RCR. Truex at Furniture Row. Kyle Larson stepping up. Could be interesting

6) ....time champ

 

Some concepts of interest, but no way a big race like Nascar will do it. This is what I would like to see: Bigger purse for the winner of a race. When you really look at the purse, it isn't that big compared to some other competitions. Because of this, the money has not become that much of a deal to some drivers. You notice how that million dollar race, for no points, how awesome THAT race is! You will never end Multi car teams. There is too much need for money, and not enough good team owners for the sponsors to support the flow right now.

1) I disagree. The ONLY reason a race gets the red flag is if there is a safety concern for drivers or track members. Since there was no safety concern during the clean up, there was no OFFICIAL reason to throw the flag. Face it, if they DID throw the flag, you would have just as many people trying to say that they red flagged the race to try and give Hornish a chance to win, as there are people saying that they intentionally were trying to help Dillon win by NOT flagging it. The rules are in place. Only red flag is there is a dangerous condition. There wasn't.

2) This is what I think, not a limit so much as a "stay in your series". You are racing Nationwide? You stay in Nationwide. You want to move to cup? Give up your Nationwide status and start Racing Cup. No cross-series driving. I do understand the REASON they allow it, but I don't like it. When you have drivers like Kyle who race in Nationwide, you sell more tickets. Nationwide stands are pretty much NEVER full. An empty seat is lost revenue. On average, at a place like Daytona, an unsold seat comes out to about $300 in lost revenue.

3) I will admit that I am mixed on this one. I am bothered that R.C. himself said he would never run that number again, and now he is going back on his word. However it HAS been over 10 years since Dale has died. I can see the #3 come back. Dale Jr giving his blessing has helped me to be more accepting. I know one thing. It DAMN WELL better not be a black car with a white "3" on it, or I WILL be pissed. R.C. Should respect Dale Sr's legend at least that much. I do not like that Dillon is going to be the driver. He has been disrespectful towards Dale Sr's history. THAT bothers me.

4) I've not claimed to be a hater of the chase, but I think it needs some serious work. I'm happy for Jimmie. Hell my sister has been a fan of his since he started driving! I disagree with removing the road courses. They ad an element of "different" to a basic circle track. It is a challenge to a competitor to have a right turn every now and again! Haha.

5) It will be interesting to see how the next season works out. Harvick, Tony, Kurt, and Danica will be an interesting show next year. I have always liked Harvick. He is a very good driver. Tony, I was not a big fan of before, but he has grown on me after his anger management classes. Kurt, well hell, he is a Busch brother. Not a big fan of his, but he is a good driver. Everyone knows I like Danica, and no, it has nothing to do with her being a skirt. I think she has potential, and just needs to develop her skill. I expect to see a good season from her next year, especially with her being teamed up with Harvick, who she has said was a mentor to her when she started Nationwide. They have a great relationship on the track.

6) Congrats Jimmie!

 

You know, here is a thought:

The first half of the season, no points are earned. Each driver that wins a race is added to the Chase. The only way to get INTO the Chase, is by winning a race in the first 21 races. THEN points are zero. BUT for each additional race you won in the first 21, you get an additional 5 points. So if you won 3 races, you start off with 10 points.

To keep it interesting, you set a 2 million dollar secondary champion winner. Those drivers who did NOT make the chase, will all start with zero points, and THAT driver with the most points at the end of the season wins the 2 million dollar bonus. So that way, not only do those IN the chase have something to look towards, but those OUT of the chase have something to ALSO look forward to. This means both those in the chase and out of the chase will be REALLY striving to win!

 

That's interesting........

 

You didn't like the secondary idea, for those not in the Chase? I added that because it would keep the rest of the field wanting to be VERY competitive. Otherwise, what would be their reason or interest in competing? Face it, once we hit the chase, there is very little talk about the cars NOT in the chase. But if there we a REASON to keep them in the limelight, they would be even MORE competitive. A double trouble type of thing.

 

I didn't say I didn't like the second part.
Was more interested in the thinking about the first part.

 

Ah. Got ya.

 

I like that idea of the bonus money for non chasers, but at the same time, the other drivers in the chase will be like "what the hell I had a better season and they got a huge check!"

What you could do, is instead, offer the 2-43 drivers the chance to win that bonus. So whoever has the best CHASE run OVERALL other than the champion, you can win that money. With more weight of points focused on passes for the lead, pass backs, most laps led overall, passes on pit road, etc. that way, everyone has a shot, not just the chase contenders.

 

This is an interesting article I read on Yahoo tonight. While is does say that Jimmie is by far the champion driver, it shows reasonable explanation where you can't really say he is the "greatest nascar driver ever".

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/imposs...est-nascar-driver-ever-212900308--nascar.html

 

just a thought how many championships did Richard and Dale win with different crew chiefs? I think chad has been with all of jimmies championships. I remember jeff dominated until he and evernham split then he didn't win another championship.

 

It has nothing to do with crew chiefs or anything like that. What the article points out is that racing today is not the same as it was when Petty drove, nor was it the same and when Dale drove. You can't compare drivers across even boards, because there WERE no even boards. Back when Petty drove, they used REAL cars that were modified to race. Hell, it was nothing for a pit stop to last almost 2 minutes back then! Even back when Dale was winning HIS championships, the cars, and the rules, as well as a lot of other factors, were totally different. Heck, we could put Petty at his prime, and Dale Sr in his prime, and put them in the Gen 6 car, and they might not even be able to qualify on today's tracks. Put Jimmie in a 69 Charger and he might crash the thing in the first 5 laps! There is just no possible way to compare the 3 drivers and say any one is better than the other. Sure, Petty has a record 200 wins, but back in his day they were doing 2 or even 3 races a week. I think that is the important point of what the article was saying.

 

I'll contend that the cream will always rise to the top - Petty and DE would adapt to the car of today just as JJ would adapt to the cars of the past.

I agree on the 200 wins - can't compare that to today. Jeff Gordon probably wins that arguement.

 

Ya i wasn't really thinking about the article but I bet you take chad away from jimmie and his points go down. It is chemistry.... I think Chad is a better crew chief than jimmie is a driver. It would be interesting to see what chad would do with the 88 car. And why is tony switching crew chiefs again?

 

Because Jimmie and Dale have such differing personalities, I don't think Chad and Dale would actually make a good team.