Firearm BS thread

Mayb you guys can answer a question for me, Is it legal to buy/own full auto fire control grougps but not have them installed say just sitting in a drawer for a rainy day or just general knlowledge of how they work? I see they can be bought with "no restrictions but NFA rules apply"? What does that mean?

 

depends on what you mean, the Bump fire trigger/stocks are not NFA regulated so they can be legally installed in any AR that you own, even in communist states like MD, as for NFA regulated stuff, im not sure, havent really wanted any full auto/20 mm cannons yet

 

No lets say for an AR15, AK47 or a Cobray M11?

 

Bump fire is a legal almost full auto option for the AR, as far as full auto ar's go, those ARE NFA regulated, and its more than a trigger group, there is different cut outs in the receiver as well, so if its full auto, its full auto, not really an in between discounting bump fire. as far as the other two go, not familiar with AK's, but id imagine they work the same way ar's do, and ive never heard of the cobray

 

Aren't there some transferable drop in auto seres out there? Maybe that's what he's talking about.

 

Maybe, but even the transferable guns you still have to go and do the NFA registry and all that bs that goes with it, its a federal thing not a state thing

 

I'm not wanting a bump fire or full auto, but a coworker of mine was interested in his Cobray SMG(like a mac10). I know the differences in the AR semi/AK semi and the auto versions. From what I can tell it is legal to own the parts to convert as long as the hole isn't drilled in the receiver and the parts are stored in a different location. Thought it might be a good idea to purchase while they are still available. Who knows might just pick up a stamp to actually do the conversion at some time. Just trying to confirm from the TW vast knowledge base and avoid the confusing contradictory NFA literature.

 

I seriously doubt it, I've got a friend who has a cetme, and there are companies online that sell G3 full auto trigger groups, and we believe that we could pobably just drop one in and have it go full auto, owning it would be a gray area I'd say. I think you could get in trouble for something along the lines of "Intent to build" or some other bull crap

there are some RDIAS, but they are expensive (as in 15,000 ish) but would make it easy to go legal full auto whenever lol

 

No, this is considered 'intent' and is as bad as having an unregistered NFA item according go the ATF. It's akin to having an NFA upper in your safe but you don't own a registered SBR lower and have regular lowers in there too. Just because you don't have them together isn't good enough because they can prove that the ability to put them together easily (intent) exists and that's just as bad as having an NFA upper on a non-NFA lower in their eyes. Don't test the NFA because if it seems like it may be illegal it most likely is or will be soon and that's not the side of the ATF you want to end up on if you like firearms.

A better example might be owning an unregistered suppressor. If you haven't been approved to own it by the ATF via the process then you should NOT be in possession of it regardless of if it's affixed to a firearm or not. Possession is just as bad as having it installed. Whoever it's currently registered too has to maintain possession until you are approved for transfer and then it's yours.

 

THIS^^^^^^ explained better than anything else

 

I know, I grew up in an NFA loving household. The hoops you have to jump through seem never ending, and that's IF you can actually afford such toys. And now a days you have to worry about finding and affording ammo.

 

Thanks for the insight.

 

Sure. I store NFA uppers in my safe for buddies who don't yet have an SBR'd lower all the time. The things that would have to align for you to ever get caught would be pretty staggering but it's not worth risking.

 

Yeah not trying to break the law in any way, specially with a new baby, but it just sucks someone that enjoys the hobby and wants to learn all there is to learn cant. You know since they can be bought all day long at any website people are buying them ,and probably using them!, but the second I do with my luck they would get me for intent.

 

What's the difference between an NFA upper and a pistol upper?

 

there isnt....but you better have a pistol lower to go with the pistol upper...and dont mount the pistol upper on the rifle lower everrrrr

 

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What! Can you say I want 2!

 

There's no such thing as a 'pistol upper' per sey. They're all NFA uppers (could be a pistol length gas system which some refer to as a 'pistol upper' but it's more slang than an official term similar to midlength upper, rifle upper, etc.) but if you own a pistol or SBR'd lower it's legal. It's also not technically illegal to own an NFA upper (you can walk into a store right now or go online and buy one) but there's a reason that they say 'ALL NFA RULES APPLY' as a warning that you better understand what it is you're buying because if you don't have a pistol or SBR'd lower you will be breaking a law by having it in the same vicinity of lowers halves that will mate up to it.

 

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