Toyota better get their new truck on the market quick!

I've got a plain 2008 GMC canyon reg cab 4 cyl work truck platform & a 2014 DCSB trd 4x4 sport. No complaints about the canyon. Great little truck 26 mpg a few mods & it looks sharp!

 

I'd also say it's time to reevaluate reliability. Most cars are good for a 150-200k miles if, and that's the huge caveat, they are taken care of.

One of the things GM products suffer from, imho, is they need to move their stock. Remember, you can get GM products on huge rebates. This means a 20k Corolla gets overlooked for a 20k whatever the hell GM makes because it's now 17k, or even 15k in the right month. This cycle not only hurts residuals imo, but also puts cars in the hands of people to irresponsible to be owning cars so it damages their reliability.

Let me ask you this, if you don't have the monthly expense for the 20k corolla, do you think you are going to have the required expense of basic maintenance for the 16k car? It's a vicious cycle that makes cheaper cars (by class) less likely to be taken care of properly.

Now with regard to Toyota reliability I have 2 things to say...

1) there is a faction of auto enthusiasts and toyota purists who believe the Tacoma suffers from sharing a line with the Tundra. Their argument is you can never really trust the reliability of the San Antonio trucks like you did the Freemont ones because the workers and line is not perfected for one vehicle. It's a spin on the old, you can know everything about something or something about everything.

2) I don't doubt Toyota reliability...I own a Toyota and spout the kool-aid as much as the next person who's proud to own a Toyota. BUT, and it's a huge but, there is no way Toyota reliability is up to the epically outrageous standards it now has. Do you wanna be the one asshole who comes to these forums and says your taco sucks? We all know what can happen. It can quickly turn into a feeding frenzy about how you didn't treat your truck right, or ignored maintenance, or whatever. And you think we're bad? Try that shit on a 5x Camry owner. Those dudes might look like boring accountants, but I guarantee they are looking for a reason to let out their inner hulk, and the other Camry driver is the perfect victim. Toyotas are great cars, I love mine, but Akio didn't ask them to put together a Supra prototype because everyone gets a hard on from a Rav4. What GM has done is nice. It's even successful if it has us talking about it, and lynching a potential defector. The Taco is long in the tooth, and it needs some work, but new cars aren't the cars of the 80s and 90s.

Everyone's reliability has improved, but the other guys have closed the gap...not because toyota sucks, but because the others had the most room for improvement. You've all heard the joke, "most improved, just means you sucked the most." Toyota had such tight margins for improvement back then that the others were able to close in.

Remember, this response (or expectation that others would close in) helped to provide often conservative toyota with the cahones to launch Lexus. The Germans were struggling with reliability issues. Anyone remember Audi in the 80s? (Coincidentally, they are now number 4 on CR reliability after Lexus, Toyota, and Acura.) The Lexus brand was taking direct aim at German reliability while also boosting profits.

Your Toyota isn't as great as you think it is and that's fine. As enthusiasts, our ego always comes into play.

Now, with that said, my tacoma is an engineering marvel that would outlast any GM or Ford product, so if you want a Canyon, good luck and F go yourself, I'll stick with my tried and true Toyota.

 

I read #10) right, right? The Toyota Mega Cruiser had a 4.1 liter 4cyl

I followed this link,http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/forgotten-cars-safari-edition-512306332, and it has more information about it being a diesel turbo engine. I think I rather have one of those than a Colorado or Canyon.

 

Thats badass

 

Really well said... intelligent and well thought out... pretty rare with the fanboys around here...

Until you got to this part... now this is a true TW conversation

 

LOL, didn even see that bit

 

why is the front end so damn low? My moms mazda 3 has more ground clearance then the nose on that truck. You couldnt go through a 12 inch washout. If the front end was cut just below the fog lights. Creating more clearance in the front then along the sides. and lose the sidesteps This truck wouldnt be all that bad looking.

 

This looks pretty good. Much closer to the tacoma lol

 

GMC is professional grade. They don't expect "professionals" (whatever those are) to hit too many washouts.

I really think Honda had the right idea with regard to capability, but we all tell ourselves we need 4WD for that one time we might need to rescue a baby from a flood. 4WD on a professional grade truck is just a formality for profit at this point, but who can blame GM when people will pay for it?

 

Yeah, ever since Dodge came out with the new Ram with the aggressive grill every truck manufacturer has tried to copy that huge grill. It has no real function for cooling. I had a '99 F150, I liked the look of that truck, sloping hood, small grille, looked like a NASCAR racing truck.

 

We didn buy our trucks to be in Nascar, that being said mine turned into racetruck.....

 

Looks like the somewhat copied the bodystyle and size of the Tacoma!

 

the toyota fan boys crack me up. come on have an open mind. Sure i really like my tacoma but i'd for sure consider other mid size trucks when deciding on a purchase. ESPECIALLY when the chevy comes with a diesel My tacoma downshifts twice on nearly every hill on the WV interstate. Needs MORE power.

 

My tacoma has been a blessing compared to others here.
Not a single mechanical problem. Other than the aftermarket stuff I've put on.
I think Toyota will definitely have some major competition. There are a lot of very loyal Chevy/GMC buyers. Plus the " 'Mericans" that won't buy "foreign crap". And now that the midsize market has opened up for GM, (maybe sticking to their word) adding a diesel option, and stylish trucks that look different and/or better than the tacoma...Toyota could lose a large percentage of buyers. I know a number of people who have been waiting just for these types of trucks to come along (i.e. not a tacoma).
As much as I like the facelift and new interior parts, I feel like Toyota needs an evolution with our trucks. I've had my truck parked next to a 1st gen equivalent to have some people go to the 1st gen, thinking it was my truck. "What? Oh my gosh they look the same." -_- you can imagine my face.
They need something that's going to make people go "Dude, look it's the new Tacomas!" "Duuudde that's a Tacoma?! Duuuuude that's sick!"

 

It seems like all GM/ Chevy trucks are really low on the front end then have an huge cap in between the back tire and wheel well.

 

Thinking these domestic turds are a threat to Tacoma is like saying that documentary movie with the guy who eats only McDonalds for a year and his health goes to shit,
is a threat to McDonalds.

There were very few people actually effected or swayed by that film.
Just like very few will be effected or swayed by these new domestics.

If you don't ever eat McDonalds and watch that film... you continue to never eat McDonalds. You are smart enough to figure out on your own it is not a good choice.
(You drive a Toyota, look at the new Chevy/Ford and continue driving a Toyota)

If you eat a shit ton of McDonalds on a weekly basis and watch the film... you continue to eat a shit ton of McDonalds. You are too stupid to realize it is bad in the first place, no movie is going to make you any smarter.
(You only drive Ford/Chevy cause your a price shopper, patriot, etc... and too stupid to realize you get what you pay for)

If you are someone who rarely ever eats McDonalds becasue you know its not a healthy choice, but every once in a while do it cause it's tasty and your not sure just how bad it is... you are the very small percentage of people who watched the movie and decided to rule it out completely.
(You know Toyota makes a better product, but at what cost? You are not stupid, but just not sure you will actually utilize all of the benefits of the Toyota all the time. You maybe have never owned a truck and are a first time buyer. You could make a strong case for either brand and price/practicality pushes you into a domestic)

Thats how it boils down.
Domestic drivers will continue driving domestics.
Toyota drivers will continue driving Toyotas.
The conquest or first timers will buy a few more domestics instead because these new models are so "great." Then half of those will be smart enough to get burned once and if they stay in a truck market... will buy a Toyota.

 

That's a lot of opinion for only 2 posts...
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he's off to a good start

 

I agree with this statement completely... my dad has a 2011 GMC Sierra denali and the quality is NOT there in anyway every little plastic bit breaks before you can even touch it... looks are meh... too much chrome and ford is no better, possibly worse... and oh wow, the new Colorado/canyon is going to have a 2.8l diesel?! Who cares, its only going to attract more hard-heads to the mid size truck scene which is a shame since it is relatively clean as of now.... it's like I always say about diesel engines... you don't need a diesel, you want a diesel... because a gas engine is perfectly capable of performing just as well as a diesel....

 

There's definitely reasons for a diesel... It'll be interesting to see how their efficiency comes in once the EPA is all finished with them.

I'd buy a diesel purely to have the efficiency of the gas 4-banger with the towing capacity of a V6 petrol.

You might not have a reason for a diesel, but the need is definitely in the market, and not just for the flat-bills who like to roll coal.