Carry with a chambered round???

What do you mean by that?

 

I think he means...

1. If it was just a simple assault you have drastically changed the game.

2. Weather you kill the person or not you will be treated as a criminal. maybe just a few hours or maybe a few years.

 

Always carry one in the pipe ready to fire
Either glock 23 .40 with ranger to ammo
Glock 30 .45 with ranger t ammo
Or sw air weight .38 (revolver)

 

There's a crap ton of red tape state by state, then media etc. You let it off and become GZ.

Having it chambered mentally makes it one step closer to pulling the trigger because it has enabled you to take that step.

It should be the LAST resort when you have exhausted everything else.

Again this is my personal opinion and experience.

 

If LEO keeps making mistakes in these situations, imagine what kind of fire civilians would be in. You don't have the backing of the governing body you enforce.

Just recently, Pinal County Sheriff shoots unarmed man.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/01/video_pinal_county_sheriffs_de.php

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...hard-chrisman-murder-trial-timeline-prog.html
Officer Richard Chrisman

 

Yea. If you're pulling out your gun, it's probably b/c you need to use it. Time wasted messing around with getting it ready is easily enough time for an attacker with a weapon to get the first hit in. Maybe you'll be lucky and just have damage to your non-firing side and be able to get away to get a round in the chamber and get a shot off before he's on you again.
When you have a dude jump you, good luck pulling your gun out and loading a round while fighting him off at the same time. Maybe you're lucky and have three arms. I only have two, and I know I'll need at least one to hold back an attacker and at least one to draw and shoot.

 

Also no matter how calm and cool you will think you will be. Adrenaline will be flowing and adding an extra step to save you life is one more thing you can screw up.

 

Yep, especially if the attacker has the element of surprise.

I think people either underestimate the time it takes for someone to close a gap of 20-40ft, or are overestimating their ability to draw, chamber, aim, and shoot under stressful circumstances.

 

Always 1 in the chamber for me. That extra second it takes to chamber a round could be life or death imo....

 

You missed the point which reiterates that majority of you will not make evaluated decisions that lead to a positive outcome. A poster earlier in which deterred an attack without drawing was a good example of an educated and thought out process.

Many of you try to find ways to legitimize chambering and listing "what if" situations and responses which continue to emphasize point above.

The poster replying about having adrenaline pumping which further emphasizes chambering tends to follow with a poorly thought out reaction. Another underestimating of time to act under stressful situations; again would you be able to asses to make a decision to draw, aim, change selector switch and fire? (without the risk of the DA charging you)

Those that are running the beats, active leo or deployed soldiers is where I would like to hear feedback from honestly where they are faced with frequent situations. (Which I doubt willreply)

Bottom line, everyone's entitled to their own opinion which I don't feel kosher with many replies. I have family to protect and make my decisions based on what I conclude is best.

 

I did law enforcement for a couple years, we carried M9s, and you always had a round chamber with the safety off (lever up). I assume all law enforcement carry with a round in the chamber when working.

Also have an infantry MOS. Same story, wether carrying the M9 or glock, you have a round in the chamber. M9 safety lever up, glock has the trigger safety.
M4, round in the chamber, selector switch on safe. Which you instinctively rotate from safe to semi when you bring the weapon up.

You can carry how you like, but you can't make any type of argument that a weapon without a chambered round is as effective/useful as one with a round in the chamber. The only time they are comparable is once that round is in the chamber, (assuming both weapon and ammo are in working order). Then the only variable is the ability of the person carrying.

 

Great post and spot on. I have 9 yrs Mil. and 8 yrs as LEO. and a lifetime of being around guns.

 

That is ten shades of preposterous. An idiot with a gun will be an idiot, regardless if the gun is chambered or not. An idiot will not have a moment of clarity or whatever you want to call it in the time it takes to rack a round.
Carry however you feel is best for you to protect yourself and family-with in the scope of the law-. But don't think for a second that the man that carries with one in the chamber is making a less sound decision then you.

 

I'm not sure what the debate is about? If you have a gun in its holster whether it's chambered or not it's not going to fire...

It's the actions after you draw your weapon that will determine what happens next.
The only thing dangerous about a chambered weapon is the person holding it.
Also, a gun that isn't chambered is as deadly as one that is.

 

I'm curious when the last time any of this "theory" was in effect for anyone here haha

Anyone actually have to brandish their firearm to deescalate a situation? Anyone had a "bad guy" jump you and had to save the day and be a hero? Training=good. Running through bs scenarios in your head all day=double double no good.

 

I know some people actually have, ha that's not really my points. My point is more to the fact that people sit and talk about bull crap scenarios for hours in end on the internet like derps. If you have trained and know your limitations and your firearm then carry as such. Don't waste time on a truck forum saying, NUH-UH! I could totally Ninja some dude in the face while doing a back hand spring and drawing my pistol mid air . . . whiiiiiich is why I shall go now haha just like to check in every few months and see if this thread has actually gone anywhere. Nope, still on repeat . . . Adios. haha

 

It can't fire unchambered, so no.

For those who say it requires a certain level of training to safely carry chambered, I say it requires even more training to effectively chamber it in a threat situation. If I felt my girlfriend weren't capable of carrying chambered I'd definitely not let her carry, if would suck to have her shot by her own gun when a perp took it from her.

For those talking about legal ramifications of chambered carry; if a person is lawfully entitled to carry a loaded gun, there's no legal difference if it's chambered. If anything, having the time and clarity to chamber it could show there may have been time to avoid having to fire it and the action adds intent.

Some say chambering really doesn't take enough time to matter in a threat then go on to say that the time spent chambering gives one time to think about what they're gonna do...really?

"carrying unchambered reduces the chance of accidentally shooting it". Not really, the more manipulation you add the higher the chances of a negligent discharge. It can't fire during the draw, but it can fire without intent once chambered. The majority of people I see at ranges rack the slide with their finger in the trigger guard, probably because it gives a better grip on the gun.

Military personnel have rules on what when and where they can carry and whether they can carry chambered, all cops that I know of carry chambered. The average cop gets as much training and testing as they're required to take, a level that any civilian can easily attain.

As for safeties on guns, all modern guns have at least one safety whether you can see it or not. They are all designed so they can't be fired without squeezing the trigger. If you lack the discipline to keep your finger off the trigger 'till it's time to use the gun, you lack the discipline to use one at all. All the trainers I've known of say you should carry chambered and not engage a manual safety because both are likely to hinder your ability to defend yourself under duress.

For those who just feel better being unchambered, cool. Each individual should do what feels best to them and sharing your views and reasons inspires thought. Those using ignorance in an attempt to convince someone else to do anything is just spreading ignorance.

The truth is, most perps will run away the moment a gun comes into play. If the person is motivated enough or has a deadly weapon I want to know I'm ready to defend without adding any more thought or manipulation to my gun than needed to safely fire it.

 

My best friend, girlfriend, and I were kidnapped. The guy grabbed my GF and put a shank to her throat. If I'd had a ready to go gun it would have probably been ended before he could get control. I saw him make his move while I was on the other side of a car, I couldn't reach him but a bullet would have.

 

FWIW-
In my 6 years of USAF security and Law Enforcement, the only time I ever carried with a round in the chamber was when I carried a revolver. Anyone carrying an M-16 NEVER had a round in the chamber, even while securing nuclear weapons.


Maybe they just didn't trust us...........

 

Oh forgot one. I have a neighbor who's whacked in the melon, I think he's schizophrenic. I've been told he was in prison for many years for murdering his GF. He frequently walked or rode his bike onto or next to my driveway in a really weird and suspect way, sometimes circling around looking up to no good. One day he decided that his imaginary friends were living at my house. He came over pretty cool and normal acting and asked where they were. I told him I had no idea who he was talking about and he left. An hour or so later came back asking a little more demandingly, after a minute he left. A while later he came back determined to see his friends. Asking about them lead to him calling me a liar and he started coming towards me so I pulled my pistol. He's never come back and when he walks or rides by he doesn't even look up my driveway. No matter what screws are loose and what fuse is blown in his head, something up there remembers that this is not a place for him to be.