are BFgoodrich All terrains "old school"?

Duratracs! Or better yet you should go and look at tire replacements yourself and decide which tire you like best.

 

I love the look of the bfg all terrains.

 

Duratracs

 

I've never liked Bfg ats my brother has them on his tacoma in a 295 75 16 and the absolutely suck in snow, rain and mud. I have duratracs on mine and there is no comparison between the two IMO

 

I really like the tread pattern on the Duratracs, how do they wear and ride?

 

I've got about 15,000 miles on mine and they still look brand new.

 

This what they look like aired down to 15 psi with 10k miles on them

C rated 256/75/16

Absolutely the best all around tire I have ever used on my Tacoma.

amazing in soft dunes, hard packed and of course asphalt is a smooth confident ride even in rain.



This is just before the trip. 9k+ on them.

 

Thanks guys, looks like when the time comes Duratrac it will be.

 

QFT

You don't have to search very hard for lots and lots of articles proving this. From the compounds in the tire itself to the tread pattern and lack of siping. A lot of it comes back to when people do their tire reviews. Almost all of them are done within the first few weeks of ownership when people are still on the soft grippy outer layer. Give that tire 15k miles and they become terrible in the snow or ice. Only people that argue with that are people who haven't run newer AT's to compare.

You don't know what you don't have.

I stole this from the FJ Cruiser forum, they borrowed it from the original website which doesn't seem to be around. I read the review in it's entirety before the site disappeared, it was great. Peterson's and 4Wheeler magazine ran the article and had people on site. They called it one of the best tire reviews they had been a apart of.

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/foru...l-terrain-tire-shootout-hankook-bfg-toyo.html

I tried to line up these scores, you can also check out the results plus video on this site:
4x4 All Terrain Tire Test,All Terrain Tire Shootout, Hankook All Terrain, BFG All Terrain, Toyo All Terrain

TEST DRIVER EVALUATIONS
Rock Crawl - hard rock, loose dirt: John Bull East End - Big Bear Mar 7

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall-------------------------7.5 / 4.5 / 6.5
Wheelspin / Wheel Lockup---------------7.5 / 4.5 / 6.5
Directional Stability-----------------------7 / 5.5 / 6.5
Steering Feel-----------------------------7 / 5.5 / 7
Tire Compliance with Surface------------7.5 / 5.5 / 7
Steering Input Responsiveness-----------7.5 / 4.5 / 7
Test importance 10 of 10 Average---7.33 / 5.00 / 6.75

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Excellent Traction; no detectable wheelspin; excellent steering and stability; tires seem to absorb the rocks
-BFG: Poor traction; lots of wheelspin; hard to control vehicle
-Toyo: Reasonably good traction; slight wheelspin; good steering and stability; fairly good compliance
__________________________________________________ ________
Side Slope - loose dirt : John Bull East End - Big Bear Mar 7

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall--------------------------7.5 / 6 / 7
Wheelspin / Wheel Lockup-----------------7 / 5.5 / 6
Directional Stability-----------------------6 / 5 / 5.5
Steering Feel-----------------------------7 / 5.5 / 7
Tire Compliance with Surface--------------7 / 6 / 5.5
Steering Input Responsiveness-------------6 / 5 / 7
Test importance 10 of 10 Average---6.75 / 5.50 / 6.17

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Excellent traction; little wheelspin; no side slip
-BFG: Fair traction; lots of side slip
-Toyo: Fairly good traction; some side slip ride.
__________________________________________________ ________
Hill Climb - steep, loose dirt, sharp rock:Stoddard Valley Mar 11

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall---------------------------7 / 6 / 5
Wheelspin / Wheel Lockup---------------6.5 / 5.5 / 5
Directional Stability-----------------------7 / 6 / 5
Steering Feel-----------------------------7 / 6 / 5
Tire Compliance with Surface--------------7 / 6.5 / 4.5
Steering Input Responsiveness------------7 / 6 / 5
Test importance 10 of 10 Average--6.92 / 6.00 / 4.92

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Excellent traction and steering control. Very smooth ride
-BFG: Fairly good traction and steering control. Smooth ride , but vague.
-Toyo: Fairly poor traction and steering control. Very bouncy ride.
__________________________________________________ ________
Hill Descent - steep, loose dirt, sharp rock :Stoddard Valley Mar 11

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall---------------------------7 / 5.5 / 5
Wheelspin / Wheel Lockup----------------6.5 / 5 / 5
Directional Stability-----------------------6.5 / 5 / 5
Steering Feel----------------------------6.5 / 5 / 5
Tire Compliance with Surface--------------7 / 5 / 4.5
Steering Input Responsiveness-----------6.5 / 5 / 5
Test importance 10 of 10 Average---6.67 / 5.25 / 4.92

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Very good traction, Some lockup. Smooth ride
-BFG: Fairly good traction, some lockup. Smooth ride.
-Toyo: Fairly poor traction, Excessive lockup. Very bouncy ride.
__________________________________________________ ____
Asphalt Slalom Test, Big Bear Airport

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall---------------------------8 / 4 / 6
Directional Stability------------------------8 / 4 / 7
Steering Feel----------------------------7.5 / 4.5 / 7
Tire Compliance with Surface--------------7 / 5 / 4.5
Steering Input Responsiveness-------------8 / 4.5 / 7
Test importance 10 of 10 Average---6.67 / 5.25 / 4.92

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Excellent in all categories; excellent and predictable response to driver inputs and weight transfer; quick and precise
-BFG: Progressively increasing oversteer on rapid transitions resulting in terminal oversteer (spin), poor response to steering and throttle inputs; potential control loss in accident avoidance situations at limits of adhesion on dry asphalt
-Toyo: Very competent tire; no surprises or bad habits; good grip and responsiveness; very predictable and stable
__________________________________________________ ___________
Asphalt Skid Pad Test, Big Bear Airport

----------------------------------HANKOOK / BFG / TOYO
Traction Overall---------------------------8 / 4.5 / 6
Directional Stability----------------------7.5 / 4 / 6
Steering Feel----------------------------7.5 / 5 / 6
Steering Input Responsiveness------------7.5 / 4.5 / 6
Test importance 10 of 10 Average----7.63 / 4.5 / 6

TEST DRIVER COMMENTS:
-Hankook: Excellent in all categories; feels like a UHP tire; no chatter; minimal understeer
-BFG: Feels sloppy; excessive tire chatter at tire traction limit; low grip level; high slip angles at limit; much understeer
-Toyo: A good, solid tire overall; some understeer and chatter at cornering limit; good feel

 

Sorry to break this to you... If you've driven on BFG ATs and think they suck... Its the driver not the tire...

LAL...

 

Tests results do not lie.

Both my non professional driver seat test and the ones performed with actual important data prove that is it indeed not the best tire for the money on the market in a range of conditions... soooooo

Cool story bro.

 

Just look at the tire for a simple objective answer.
Poor siping
Poor dual water channeling grooves on the face (many obstructions which dont aid in water evacuation)
The side water channels are so much of a maze, the water won't be pushed out as easily as it should be.... Channeling water away from the tread face should be a priority, this doesnt mean trowing a wall of another tread block in the path like bfg does.

Lugs are spaced fairly close for ofrroad, yet far enough to not be close to a constant contact patch on road.

Lugs are symmetrical so there's not much alternative grip....if all the terrain is the same size and shape rocks that line up with these lugs u are perfectly set for grip.
I'd prefer asymmetrical lugs/blocks for altering terrain


Its like the engineers met on a Monday morning after a weekend of binge drinking, surrou red themselves with donuts, 1 brought their kid to work and had his leggos scattered on the table. Then an engineer dropped a glazed donut on a pile of the kids leggos that just happend to have more of 1 block design than others in it, leggos stuck to donut...... Engineers said, "hey look its a pattern, can we submit this to the boss and go back to sleep"?

And thus became the bfg all terrain....... Nobody wanted them for a while.... Then bfg decided to give a shit ton of them away to racers because they couldnt sell them...... promoted the shit out of the races, and there ya go..... History was made.

 

Very creative... Fact is many of us have driven them through all kinds of conditions for many many years, Yea I agree they aren't mudders, but will out perform mudders in the snow.

I assure you and the other nay sayers... that I can run them on my Taco and follow you any where you go... (exempting muddin).

 

That's not what I said... Read it again... read it 2 or 3 times, if that's what it takes.

I said if you drove on these tires and think they suck, then maybe you need to look at your driving.

Then I said, I can go anywhere you can on your choice of ATs, with the BFG AT.


No malice meant... just my observation.

 

Too young ... sorry, been bothering me for a while.

Also, how many sets of the new generation AT's have you gone through .. and which ones?