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1st gen mild lift questions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by gray223, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Mar 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM
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    gray223

    gray223 [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully getting a new truck soon and am having some questions on lifts. I don't want a 3 inch lift but would 2in need new ucas or effect alignment? If it did could I go to 1.5 without the need for uca's and would a diff drop be needed for 1.5? The first gen billie 1500 only have a 1.25 setting and 2.5. So how would I get to 1.5 or 2. Should I just save up for adjustable coilovers?

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  2. Mar 5, 2014 at 4:50 PM
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    I have 5100s at 2.5 in the front and 2" AAL in the rear. Any amount of lift will require an alignment. If staying under 3", you should not need any aftermarket UCA's.

    I did not need a diff drop... from what I read they are not needed. I DID however need to replace my needle bearing in my diff on the driver side. I replaced it with an ECGS bushing and my vibrations went completely away!

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  3. Mar 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM
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    How does it ride? I've heard that if you have the 5100 all the way up its really stiff. I don't want to do it just for looks. I want them to give a good ride on and off road.
     
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    jspansel Just duct tape it

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    I love it. Less body roll and rides much better than stock. Very happy with it. It is firmer but in a good way. In my opinion.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2014 at 7:41 PM
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    First gens don't need aftermarket UCAs to stay in alignment even up to 3" of lift. That's only a second gen issue.

    And as far as I'm concerned, diff drops don't do anything. Wouldn't waste my time.

    Also, you could stick with the 5100s and get aftermarket coils. It'll will ride better than the stock coils compressed and cost a lot less than coilovers. I ran my 5100s for a while on the lowest setting with OME 881s for about 2" of lift. Way better ride that the stock coils in the middle setting.

    Just recently switched out to 882s to compensate for a bumper and winch.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM
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    wont having a lift like that increase the cv angles and cause premature ware? wouldn't a diff drop help with the angle.

    Oh, and how much lift did the 882 give you? what kind of lift do you have in the rear?
     
  7. Mar 6, 2014 at 6:35 AM
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    Yeah, I forgot about coils... You could start with 5100s on stock springs and run that for a while. If you really dont like it, put them back to lowest setting and use OME coils for the lift like stated above. That is a good idea.

    From my research, it is fairly agreed upon the diff drop does not help much at all. Seems like it should on paper, but people say it does not. Especially for mild lifts under 3", we really dont have to worry much about it. Only thing that you need to watch for is the boot wear. But with that mild lift, the fins dont seem to touch so nothing really to worry about as far as I can tell... :confused:
     
  8. Mar 6, 2014 at 8:09 AM
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    The lift will change the CV angles, but probably not really cuase that much more wear, if any. Also, with the amout of lift you're talking, you won't ever have a problem. There's guys on here with 3" of lift, no diff drop, and wheel hard, and have never broken a CV. On top of that, they're cheap to replace anyways.

    My point about the diff drop is that the results are inconclusive. It's doesn't acutally drop the entire diff either, it merely rotates it. You might get a few degress better on your angle, but then you decrease center clearance and have to modify your skids.

    The 882s gave me a solid inch more lift than the 881s. How much total lift I have with all my weight at this point: no clue. For the rear I started with Wheeler's 5 packs for about 1-1.5" of lift, then added their AAL to double that. And will soon be adding longer shackles to get my rake back.
     
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    How much do you think the 881 will give with a 100+ pound front bumper? What about 882?
     
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    a 100+ lb bumper on a Tacoma?? seems high. you'll probably get 1.75" - 2"
     
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    Ya it was just a guess, it probably won't be that high. I have to make it first.
     
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    Subscribed. I'm a long way off from any kinda suspension lift on my truck, but there is some serious expertise here, and I want to soak it up! :D

    My truck currently has 31x10.5, and will be getting a 1" body lift in a week or so. I'm going to trim the fenders back about an inch after that.

    Room for 33x12.5 at that point?
     
  13. Mar 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM
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    hell no.
     
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    With my 100lb plate bumper plus a winch, my center of hub to fender measurements were:

    881: 23"
    882: 24"


    Go ahead and measure you're stock center of hub to fender to compare. I'm still under 3" of lift.
     
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    Well, then. :laugh:
     
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    What size tires are you running jspansel? Like that look a lot and am thinking about doing something similar to my 96 here soon.
     
  17. Mar 12, 2014 at 3:05 PM
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    I'm running the toytec ultimate w/5100 coilovers front set @2" and OME Dakar frankenspring rear. No bumper though but I think there are some alternate springs for heavier loads.
    Fronts were wicked easy to install and I've found the drivers left side needed a little more tension to keep it level. Not sure what that was about, I only weigh 180.
    Rear OME's were a PITA. The came with "+" signs and instead of 3" I got almost 5" Granted the old ones sagged some with the cap but it was retarded. By the third try I ended up with 1st main OME leaf out and 1st stock leaf w/curved ends trimmed off back in.
    After all settled in I'm at:
    F: 23.5"
    R: 25"
    No diff drop, no tacoma side to side wallow (even ditched the sway bar).
    About 35k on it since the change.
    Will be bringing the front up another 1/2" after doing CV boots and realignment.
    265 75 16 studded Duratracs, never once rubbed
     
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