Help out in the search for Flight 370..

...yes, but what size would the "debris" be if impacting at several hundred knots?...

 

It would be everywhere. Next time I'm on the comp I'll search for images for you. I think the Atlantic flight that crashed had a 15 mile debris field.

 

yep, but even w/out passive surveillance (Mode C trilateration, ADS-B etc.), ...i'd hope there were some active surveillance coverages that plane passed through... thing is, how easy is it to get different countries to coordinate w/ the data, etc...

 

...not familiar w/ that flight.... was it suspected to have been driven directly down into the water?

 

...that's a VHF signal?.. if submerged what volume of water could one reasonably expect to pick that up in?

...and i'd have to think there have to be some pieces to the puzzle, ...either a combo of ATC/surveillance via passive trilateration, ADS-B report, and/or active skin returns from radars... i'd be curious what the altitude profile trend was up to the "last known" point, that should be telling...

 

well they should have done that a couple of days ago cause it can't fly around forever

 

The 9/11 plane in Pennsylvania didn't leave much of a trace , at that speed what difference would it make if it was water or earth ?

 

Even at those speeds, there would still be a debris field. I was trying to thorize how we could have oil slicks, but no debris. A soft-water landing would explain that.

Good points there that could dismiss my theory. Ah well.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...p-often-yield-when-jets-crash-over-water.html

The water the new flight crashed into wasn't as deep as Atlantic 447 when it crashed. Not only that, but parts of planes still float. If it hits the water any sort of way it will break into pieces. And the water the plane crashed into is only about 165 feet deep, so stuff should be floating back to the surface by this point. Not only that, but the ELT should be sending information back to the surface.

http://youtu.be/sKC9C0HCNH8?t=12s

 

I agree. Cushions, luggage, clothes, and random debris would definately have been visible by now. But, like someone mentioned, they could be looking in the wrong part of the ocean.

 

Subd for conspiracy theories

 

Yep VHF ... I believe the water actually makes the frequency able to travel farther ... It's not that deep in the search area

If they turn the transponder off or there is a power outage in the flight deck the aircraft would more or less be gone to ATC

I'm not sure if they have long range radar in that area of the world ... The plane was an hour from takeoff so that at least 500 miles out

It's virtually impossible to gain access to the flight deck without help from either the pilots or flight attendants ... It's a heavy duty door that you can't just bust through

I'm worried that this is a Egypt Air situation where one of the pilots crashed the plane on purpose or took over the aircraft

There might be 4 pilots on board since it's a extended flight... 2 are reserve pilots - only 2 required on flight deck

 

yes, but i'm imaging a situation where, from high altitude, ..the plane is turned into a steep bank, and plunged downward toward the surface, in a near vertical dive, ...i'd imagine w/ such a trajectory, engines going, it could reach quite a remarkable speed, even if it hits some terminal velocity before impact...

OZ mentioned the 9/11 aircraft that crashed in PA, ...the debris were tiny pieces (basically tiny fragments), ..a similar scenario impacting the water, ...i don't think there would be much difference...

 

In all seriousness though, I personally think it's something more then human error. Either way it sucks that it happened and prayers go out to any survivors and especially their families.

 

I believe that Flight 93 hit the ground almost straight down

There is some speculation as to what actually happened there

Not going there

If the 777 plane hit at a high speed the aircraft would breakup on impact... Large debris field in the water

If the plane glides in (controlled landing) there is less of a chance of large pieces breaking off and less of a debris field in water

If the plane blows up in midair and even larger debris field

 

Just saying if one crash can leave no trace why not 2

 

Could but, the stuff of the 757 in UA 93 is in the earth. If it had been water, stuff might have been floating.

 

Flight 93 went from approx 10,000ft altitude to 0ft in less than 1 minute
Hit ground at approx 300knots

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/UAL93FDR.pdf

If the 777 went in near vertical attitude like Flight 93 in South Vietnam or Burma there may not be a large debris field

If the plane hits the water near vertical attitude there will be a large debris field
Stuff will be floating everywhere

 

Reports claim a hijack or a lost comm. code was never transmitted from the airliner's transponder.

It is very unlikley that hijackers can gain access to the cockpit post 9/11.

I'm stumped.

 

As far as radar returns in that part of the world, good luck.
If it was a hijacking, the plane would have been taken somewhere to land and hide for the time being.
Disabling the electronics would require some studying, not to much but a little bit, and access to the equipment... Inside man or lax security measures.
A crash of any type would leave debris and the emergency beacons would be detectable.

Question. Other than the "stolen" passports, is there anything or anyone on that flight that would cause someone to want to hijack or destroy it?

Could there be a bunch of genetically enhanced snakes?