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Man sentenced to 13 years in prison never serves time

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  1. Apr 17, 2014 at 9:44 AM
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  2. Apr 17, 2014 at 9:47 AM
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    People fuck up. It's a fact of life. If you brand every single person for for their life for one fuck up then you are going to going to have a society full of people who simply can't fix them selves and get out of the trap. In effect causing more and worse criminals. If you throw them a bone and give people an incentive to not commit crimes, they won't. In 10 years his guy has built a career and a family. What is his inventive to commit crime? Almost nothing. I doubt he would want to risk losing what he has build for himself. I bet you would meet him and never know of the crimes he committed unless he told you. By assuming people are un able to change their previous ways, you effectively keep them from doing just that by virtue of a a self fulfilling prophesy.
     
  3. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:01 AM
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    Coming from someone who had a father in prison from 2nd grade till 2 years after graduation .. You are now punishing the kids not just the father.. In some cases like stated if he was still a fuck up for sure send him away.. But prison is called "corrections" for a reason 13 years staying out of trouble a wife family and job ect does not need corrected and sending him to shit hole is more likely to ruin not only his life again when he gets releaced but what about the kids with no father..
     
  4. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM
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    I can see both aspects of the arguments and this would be a tough decision. Although if he was a murderer, rapist or child molester I don't think anyone would be having such a hard time making their decision. That's where it becomes a tough decision IMO. You can't pick and choose what crimes and what people can avoid the law. Sure this guy is reformed (which is what prison is supposed to do), but he still committed a crime. A child molester might be reformed, but would people be fine with letting him go unscathed if the same situation happened? Probably not. True this guy didn't have any victims with physical harm, but it still probably shook people up. They say now to let him go, which is very generous, but not every armed robbery case will be like this one. My coworker got held up at a bank and she still has issues with it today.

    On the other hand, there is the argument that he is reformed. He never tried to avoid prison, but I don't know if I would have turned myself in either. People get DUI's all the time and nothing comes in the mail or the sort and they don't turn themselves in. I know it's not the same crime or severity, but why put yourself in prison if you don't have to be? It would be a shame to have his kids lose a father and his wife lose a husband. It truely sounds like the guy made the right choices and is doing better than he would have if he went into prison.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM
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  6. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:27 AM
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    He should walk now. The government had 13 years to send him to prison and it took them that long to fix it? Its time they should let him off the hook because he did change his life and didn't run or anything. So in a way he did serve his time.
     
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    TCprerunner, I am sorry that you had to live through that.

    I get the that his kids would suffer. Under his circumstance I think I would not have had kids....especially having been told he would be taken in at some time by his own attorney.

    As far as throwing him (or any criminal) a bone. In my mind that's rewarding bad behavior. I didn't get a bone thrown to me (and I'm thankful for that in so many ways) and I've kept my nose clean my entire life.

    I bet statistics would support my theory on best predictor of future behavior especially regarding criminal offenders.

    Damn, looking at this thread, I'm starting to look like Beavis or OZ...serial posting. I think I'll go throw up on that thought. :)
     
  8. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM
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    They do release prisnors who behave well in prison....
     
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    I can certainly say he should not be incarcerated. Behaving well in prison is not the same as behaving well out in society. This is not a clear cut line, and this case can not be used as president for future cases, but based on these unique facts it is different. 10 years is a long time to build up a life and turn it around not to have it stripped away because in reality the governemt forgot about you.

    As said before, throw him in jail and you ruin his life and he has to start all over again, and by then he won't have a chance and you might have just create a criminal again. Literally nobody benefits from him going to jail. Not a single party is better off from this situation. If he goes to jail I would be severely disappointed. Imagine the disaster when he gets ripped away from his family. An he has to fire all of his employees to go back to jail after living like a regular citizen for a decade
     
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    Its not throwing a bone they fucked up but the guy had managed to do well and stay out of trouble that's the exact point of going to prison is for corrections.. They messed up he still managed to do well and had stayed out of trouble should be left at that now its over 50k a year to keep one person in prison (in texss ) is it worth that for a guy who managed to turn around and do good with his life just from that threat of going in? Not saying this should be a normal accurance but in this case the gov. Should man up to there mistake
     
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    Lol. Oh ya
     
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    If I read the story correctly he's been in jail for months now and is wanting out.

    I give that this is a unique case and he seemingly has a good & proven track record. I'm not passionate either way on this cat but, where does one draw the line? Really, how do we remain consistent so we can be fair?

    I'm still betting there's more to the story as most convicted of armed robbery do not leave the court house free upon criminal conviction.
     
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    Draw the line at having the people in charge who caused this be compitent so? With there job... This was a major screw up...
     
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    As the story says he did nothing to avoid going. He didnt hide, he filed tax returns for gods sake.
     
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    You are missing the point I'm not saying he is in the right or was in the right... But he did do right after the fact. The point of going to prison " department of corrections" hint corrections is behavioral correction.. 13 years later staying out of trouble doing right stating a family and business the behavior being corrected is one we would have been aiming for in the first place.. Sorry but you seem ignorant on the subject in the first place with your previous comments.
     
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    If this was pre conviction does anyone know what the statute of limitations on this would be vs a murder or rape?
     
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    Where ate you speaking to that? I just see in educated replys jabbing at what I have said. Am more then welcome to a valid point of what is gained by him going to prison now.
     
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    I think you're tryin to blanket statement somehing that is a very unique set of circumstances. This is multiple people's lives we are talking about.
     
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    There is not one. This should not have happend in the first place. After being convicted you are convicted. This is a fact of judgment in what is best for the better good of the convicted because of a major fail on someone's part..

    And he did what he was told he waited for further instructions...
     
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    Sorry multitasking and using phone lol

    Where are you speaking to that. Directed at your comment I don't see any arguments on your part may be looking over them though.

    And you are making comments about things that do not apply as a argument for what I have been saying. There are no benefits to anyone now to be gained from him staying in prison after 13 years have passed.

    Also there could be way more to the story that changes everything my argument is off of what we know. And that is he is now staying out of trouble working and has a family.
     

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