Cummins Tacoma for 2016?

lolz. yea even my 92 with custom "muffler," people would ask if it was diesel. my old welder really throws people off

 

oh look another one of these threads...

 

if Toyota already has a overseas like that in the hilux why don't they just bring it to the us for the tacoma

 

EPA /thread

 

Seriously , the 2016 will have a Hino diesel / electric hybrid drive option

You heard it here first

 

Naw.... I have been putting bets for a LONG time on something very similar / exactly to the 2GR-FSE ... 3.6L V6 direct injected ~ 305HP and 25hwy mpg.

 

After supercharging my current Tacoma and buying a 2014 3/4 Ram with the 5.7 L Hemi I don't see as much benefit to adding a diesel to the Tacoma as everyone seems too. I make plenty of power with both and I don't have an overly heavy diesel bogging me down in the field all the time. IMHO here's a few reasons why MANUFACTURERS won't push towards diesel strongly:

1. Just like with the Ford Ecoboost, most 1/2 ton Ram owners aren't seeing the sticker milage. With diesel prices at 10% more than gas in my area a small diesel needs to be cheap and extremely fuel thrifty to make you money over the trucks life. I personally do not think the small diesels will be as thrifty on fuel as everyone dreams once they pass NA emissions, and if they're not then why diesel?
2. Diesel engines cost a boat load of cash to maintain if and when anything goes wrong. I don't care if it's a Cummins, Cat, Navistar, or whatever else, somewhere something always goes wrong and then your out big bucks. Manufacturers know that too. Why do you think Ford is sticking with Ecoboost designs? Ford is pretty much leading the pack with trying new engine designs after the 5.4 L disaster, throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. They aren't thinking diesel because the minuses out weigh the positives.
3. Gas engines are getting much better performance than they were even 10 years ago. A completely modern 4.0 L ish gas engine is all the Tacoma would ever need, and cost far less than a diesel to design.
4. Ever seen a diesel Chevy Cruze on the road? No? That's because GM thought everyone wanted a diesel small car because of the Jetta sales, but when they released it they couldn't get the cost even close to a gas version. Sales on the diesel Cruze have been terrible, and I bet the same thing will happen with the Chevy Colorado diesel.

This diesel craze everyone is on will fade. Diesel will not outsell gas period because the benefit to cost ratio is still favoring gas. Maybe if we end up with fuel prices like Europe that will change, but for now gas will continue to rule king. Other than applications where you need massive torque numbers, gasoline hybrids and turbocharged systems will be the future for all trucks.

 

False, Diesel will outsell gas and isnt that far from doing so look at everything in hour youse or parts on the truck. It came on an 18 wheeler, which are Diesel driven. On another note I hope its the Hino engine I read somewhere a 5.0 CUMMINS will be put it the TUNDRA like the TITAN is getting. Ive had a CUMMINS and loved it but When I get a TUNDRA I would trust the HINO motor oover the well proven CUMMINS

 

Even if the diesel was an option, I highly doubt by the time it met our emissions standards it would get all that much more mileage than the gas engine. DPF regen kills mileage since it wastes diesel fuel to regenerate the filter.

 

HAHA sad but its true

 

Ew, that setup would raise the price of the truck like 15k or more

 

ya someone els who agrees with me that the tundra should get/ could use one before the taco. also probably already posted but toyota is putting a cummins in the tundra for 2016. also i don’t think toyota has a diesel big enough for the tundra. the d4d thats in the hilux is not big enough at all.

i’d say maybe 2018 or so the taco will get one maybe as a $10k+ option. will it be the D4D? or a smaller cummins? no way to even guess at this point in time.

 

Dude, I said a high torque application will favor diesels engines. A tractor unit for an 18 wheeler needs to move a lot of weight and doesn't need to do it with rapid acceleration since 90% of the time since it will be freeway cruising. Higher torque low HP diesel engines are excellent at that. Actually I'm willing to bet within ten years no tractor unit will have a conventional powertrain, they will switch to diesel electric powertrains simular to a locomotive. Far more fuel efficient and you can use a smaller engine to get the same torque out of the electric motor.

However in a small truck the market wants; good acceleration (0-60 in under 10 seconds), acceptable fuel economy, and a little extra power for towing the odd few thousand pounds here or there. Diesels will not out do a modern gas engine strictly on a cost to benefit basis in this application. A diesel Tacoma will cost easily another 4-5 grand over a gasoline Tacoma, and for what? A few mpg over a modern gas engine, when diesel prices are poised to go even higher? Very few consumers will want that.

Do a little critical thinking, everything I said in my post was true. Gas will be favored over diesel for the time being, strictly from a cost to benefit perspective. Don't get all high on diesel just because you liked to jerk off in your Mac truck a few years ago .

 

If the Tundra gets a diesel they should consider having a 3/4 ton suspension/braking/frame option as well, since practically I see the biggest benefit for the truck there. In Canada a moderately equipped Tundra will run you almost 50k with taxes in, a diesel will probably be over 60k. For that kind of money I want a 3/4 ton capable truck!

 

Not even

 

This diesel / electric gets pretty decent acceleration and power

http://youtu.be/CKIc1BcWDlM

 

Hey Meat Popsicle I still jerk off in that truck, reminds me of the good old days.

 

Agreed! However still not really cost effective , would be bitching if it was. Like I said, I think diesel electric powertrains are going to be the next big thing in heavy duty and long haul trucks.

 

Hino already has a diesel / electric in their smaller delivery cubes and Land Rover has released a D / E hybrid SUV , plus their are some other road cars as well

 

The Hino pretty much proves my point, a perfect application for that technology over a 10,000 hour lifespan. Landrover is never to be used in the same sentence as cost effective. If I wanted an Indian owned Jeep with more knobs for 80K, I would consider suicide as my only option .

Again, I will say it, there are lots of cool Diesel engine/powertrains which could make the Tacoma more capable at one thing or another, but those options will cost way more dollars to Toyota than putting a newer gas job in that can achieve great consumer friendly results.