2014 NCAA Football Thread

coffeesnob · May 31, 2014

jbmccul said: ↑

Be sure to not pay for them. It's the FSU way
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what if he "ahem"...........forgets to pay for them?

Oregon TRD · Jun 2, 2014

I laughed a bit too much at this shit:

When his mouth opens....I kept yelling "crabs" in his voice....fuck me.

dwalden2 · Jun 3, 2014

UGA dismissed Tray Mathews (one of the 4 players arrested for stealing checks). Supposedly he wasn't staying in shape, and wasn't buying into the defensive scheme. He said Louisville or Auburn will be his new home. My bad...the University of Georgia at Louisville or auburn.

SpacemanSpiff · Jun 4, 2014

dwalden2 said: ↑

UGA dismissed Tray Mathews (one of the 4 players arrested for stealing checks). Supposedly he wasn't staying in shape, and wasn't buying into the defensive scheme. He said Louisville or Auburn will be his new home. My bad...the University of Georgia at Louisville or auburn.
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The safest bet would be that he was processed by Pruitt... However, odds are that he will end up at Louisville because he will have to sit out two at Auburn unless he pays his on way.

Interesting qoute from Justin Scott Wesley: "@JSW_86: We will play and win games with people who are willing to buy in."

Kind of says it all right there...

dwalden2 · Jun 4, 2014

SpacemanSpiff said: ↑

The safest bet would be that he was processed by Pruitt... However, odds are that he will end up at Louisville because he will have to sit out two at Auburn unless he pays his on way.

Interesting qoute from Justin Scott Wesley: "@JSW_86: We will play and win games with people who are willing to buy in."

Kind of says it all right there...
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CMR said they're "trying to make room for people that want to do things the right way..."

Saw an article earlier on yahoo about the 2009 Gators "legacy". Talked about all the players that were drafted and what they've done since. Pretty interesting. I'm glad we kick the troublemakers off the team. Don't want to end up with that kind of "legacy".

Noles1 · Jun 4, 2014

Gators "legacy" .......uh, that's funny. KoolAid drinkers

dwalden2 · Jun 4, 2014

Noles1 said: ↑

Gators "legacy" .......uh, that's funny. KoolAid drinkers
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It wasn't a good one. It was about how they've been in jail or basically busts in the NFL after the season they had.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-...so-had-busts--shaky-characters-165928960.html

The 2009 Florida Gators were coming off a national championship season when they faced Alabama in the SEC championship game last season, a matchup that most people believed featured the two best teams in the country.

Bama won handily, 32-13, and ended up winning the national championship game. The Gators would go on to crush Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl by 27. The roster was loaded with future NFL talent — 22 future draft picks over the following five years, including four first-round picks and five second-rounders.

But it hasn't been a great run for these Gators as professionals to say the least.

With the New York Giants releasing Will Hill, who failed his third drug test in three years, the list of former Gator failures from that 2009 team's roster is quite prolific:

• Aaron Hernandez would apply for the draft after that season as a junior and would end up a fourth-round draft pick of the New England Patriots, with character questions — go figure — knocking him below where his talent suggested he should be taken. After three occasionally brilliant seasons with the Patriots, Hernandez was arrested for and charged with the murder of Odin Lloyd last summer. Hernandez since has been charged in a double murder in 2012 over what the district attorney said was a spilled drink.

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.Tim Tebow and Urban Meyer while beating Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl. (Getty Images)
Tim Tebow and Urban Meyer while beating Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl. (Getty Images)
• Tim Tebow, who was considered one of the most popular college football players of all time, was a first-round pick of the Denver Broncos that same spring. After winning eight of his 14 starts over two seasons, along with a memorable playoff victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers, Tebow was shipped to the New York Jets in a trade, where he languished in 2012. After getting cut by the Patriots in 2013, Tebow was out of the league last season but is hoping for one more shot in the NFL despite a looming broadcasting career.
• Janoris Jenkins was kicked off the Gators' team in the spring of 2011 for a second drug-related arrest in a three-month span, ending up at North Alabama that season. He was a second-round pick (39th overall) of the St. Louis Rams in the 2012 draft and has played fairly well at times the past two seasons, managing largely to stay in the team's good graces, although he was almost clocked by Steve Smith for some unwanted trash talk. The Rams have gone out of their way to help Jenkins keep on the straight and narrow.

• Mike and Maurkice Pouncey were starters at guard and center for the Gators, and they entered the league — Maurkice in 2010, Mike in 2011 — a year apart, both top-20 picks. Maurkice has not been in any legal trouble whatsoever, although his career has been derailed by injuries. He missed the Steelers' Super Bowl loss to the Green Bay Packers in 2011 and is coming off a torn ACL and MCL he suffered in Week 1 last season. Mike, on the other hand, was largely involved in the Dolphins' hazing scandal from the past few seasons, which resulted in the damaging Wells Report and the shipping off of both Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito in the ugly affair. That said, Mike Pouncey, who is a good football player but apparently a fairly clueless teammate, has been unapologetic about his role and said he regretted none of it.

• Riley Cooper is coming off a career season in 2013 after having been somewhat of an afterthought with the Philadelphia Eagles as a former fourth-round pick. But Cooper managed to draw headlines that attracted eyes from well beyond the football-watching world when a video emerged of him in the midst of a racist tirade at a country music concert last summer. The incident blew over publicly, but it did not sit well with some Eagles teammates.

• Former 2010 second-rounder Carlos Dunlap got off to a slow start with the Cincinnati Bengals, mainly because of injuries, in his career but logged 20 sacks in his first three seasons and earned a five-year, $40 million deal through the 2018 season. Dunlap had another solid season in 2013 (7.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles), but the former left defensive end will be moving to the right side this season to take over departed Michael Johnson's old spot.

• Joe Haden would enter the NFL draft in 2010 and would be the highest-drafted Gator in the Urban Meyer era in Gainesville, being taken seventh overall. He's been every bit worth that draft spot, recently earning a five-year, $68 million contract extension as one of the top young corners in the NFL for the Cleveland Browns.

• Jordan Reed might have been listed on that Gators roster as a quarterback, but he transitioned to tight end and could be a player to watch for the Washington Redskins. The 2013 third-round pick opened some eyes as a rookie last season in an otherwise lost year for the Redskins, catching 45 passes for 499 yards and three touchdowns in only nine games (four starts). Reed entered the NFL with health questions following two concussions, hamstring issues, a sprained ankle and a bad knee in college, and he did little to quell that talk in suffering a bruised foot, a bruised right quadriceps, a hip pointer and further concussion issues in missing seven games as a rookie.

• Chris Rainey was a fifth-round pick of the Steelers in 2012, and they thought they might have a major steal on their hands with his 4.3 speed. Rainey got off to a solid start as a rookie and was contributing on offense and special teams before he was arrested on battery charges and eventually was released by the team. Although those charges later were dropped, Rainey — property of the Colts now — hasn't done much in two games with the team.

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.Brandon Spikes (Mitch Stringer-USA TODAY Sports)
Brandon Spikes (Mitch Stringer-USA TODAY Sports)
• Brandon Spikes was taken in Round 2 in 2010, one spot behind teammate Jermaine Cunningham that year, both by the Patriots. Although he played well at various times over the past few seasons for the Patriots, Spikes was allowed to walk in free agency (to the rival Buffalo Bills) with little effort to retain him. Spikes was suspended four games at the end of his rookie season for testing positive for a banned substance, and this past season he finished the year on injured reserve for a knee injury that he and the Patriots disagreed over. Spikes has taken shots at his former team on social media. Cunningham never panned out with the Patriots, or subsequently with the 49ers or Jets. He has totaled 3.5 sacks in 38 career games, 36 of those in New England.
• Major Wright has started most of the past three years with the Chicago Bears, and he signed in the offseason with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after a poor 2013 season. He'll be reunited there with former Bears head coach Lovie Smith.

• A second-rounder in 2011, Marcus Gilbert has ridden a roller-coaster existence with the Pittsburgh Steelers the past few seasons but figures to start again for the team at right tackle, if he can hold off another former second-rounder, Mike Adams, for the job.

• Maurice Hurt, who fell to the seventh round of the 2011 draft after failing a drug test at the scouting combine, has been an uneven pro with the Redskins with a combined nine starts in 2011 and 2012 and a knee injury that wiped out his 2013 season. He'll be competing for a roster spot this summer.

• Other Gators picks since 2011 — Ahmad Black (fifth round, 2011), Jaye Howard (fourth round, 2012), Josh Evans (sixth round, 2013), Caleb Sturgis (fifth round, 2013), Mike Gillislee (fifth round, 2013), Jelani Jenkins (fourth round, 2013) and Jon Bostic (second round, 2013) — have yet to do much significant in the NFL, although Evans and Bostic started as rookies and at least will be competing for starting jobs this fall. Jon Halapio, a freshman on that 2009 Gators team, was a sixth-round pick of the Patriots this spring.

What a motley crew that group must have been. It's amazing to think, too, that Percy Harvin and Cam Newton, two players whose character was closely scrutinized by NFL people, both should have been on that Gators team before leaving school for different reasons — Harvin for the NFL, and Newton for junior college after an incident with a laptop.

Haden, Dunlap, Jenkins and the Pouncey brothers have been good players on the field in the NFL, Cooper broke out in 2013 and Tebow is likely to continue being a success at whatever he ends up doing, even as the chances of his playing career continuing continue to shrink.

But the Hernandez murder has cloaked the NFL, the Patriots, the Gators program and, to a degree, Meyer, whose list of former lawbreakers at the program is extensive. Some of his former players have stayed straight and done well, but some — most definitely Hernandez — have actually gotten worse since entering the league.

Meyer stepped down following the bowl game win because of health and family reasons. Without being too cute or speculating too much, you had to wonder how much this group tested his mental and physical well-being. Considering all the adventures this group has been through in college and the NFL, you can understand why Meyer might have been thinking about a change of scenery.
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SpacemanSpiff · Jun 5, 2014

dwalden2 said: ↑

CMR said they're "trying to make room for people that want to do things the right way..."

Saw an article earlier on yahoo about the 2009 Gators "legacy". Talked about all the players that were drafted and what they've done since. Pretty interesting. I'm glad we kick the troublemakers off the team. Don't want to end up with that kind of "legacy".
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Saw that too. From everything I have read, Pruitt is coming in with a no-nonsense approach and making these guys work. Seems that TM didn't want to work and would have rather cut up... No need for that kind of crap. be gone with him and let Grantham have is boys. But that dig to UGA fans about Auburn was kind of childish, but it is what it is...

I especially love Shaq Wiggins tweet saying "It's not us, its THEM." Don't even know what to say to that one...just goes to show the mentality...

dwalden2 · Jun 5, 2014

Now Mathews is saying he could end up at Bama.

And SUPPOSEDLY the last straw could have been a classroom altercation with a professor. Dont know how true that is.

SpacemanSpiff · Jun 5, 2014

dwalden2 said: ↑

Now Mathews is saying he could end up at Bama.

And SUPPOSEDLY the last straw could have been a classroom altercation with a professor. Dont know how true that is.
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Yep. From what I have read, he was asked to leave class due to disruptive behavior. This was class with about 30 students, mind you. Reports indicate that he exchanged words with the professor and refused to leave. Supposedly the professor ended up saying that in his 30+ years in the classroom, this is the first time this has happened. Richt commented something along the lines of that being the last straw and also that little thing about the arrest, too.

I say good riddance. He can go to Grantham and continue his ways. There is a good article sorta related to this but more or less on the defensive issue lines:

http://www.macon.com/2014/06/04/3132471/former-georgia-defensive-player.html#

dwalden2 · Jun 5, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ollege-football?is_shared=true?is_shared=true

Death, taxes and Georgia players getting in trouble. These seem to be the rites of the college football offseason.

More bad news hit the Georgia program Tuesday when the school announced the dismissal of projected starting safety Tray Matthews. Matthews was one of four Bulldogs arrested in March for double-dipping school-issued scholarship checks, according to Michael Carvell and Tim Tucker of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, although his dismissal was not a direct result of that event.

“We are trying to make room for guys who want to do things right,” Bulldogs head coach Mark Richt said in a unusually candid release.

College kids will make mistakes. They don't always double-dip checks issued by the school that's giving them a free education, but they make mistakes. In part, that's what college is for, learning what to do and, perhaps more importantly, what not to do.

It's no secret that star players leaving the program and missing games has become part of the process at Georgia, and Richt's unusually uncompromising stance on discipline is a big reason why.

"He's kicking kids off the team where other coaches, many times, are keeping things in house," said former quarterback David Greene (2001-04). "It's a tough balance, because as college coaches, they're paid to win games. Some of the coaches treat it like the NFL and don't care about the kids. Coach Richt really, genuinely cares."

High-Profile Georgia Departures - Last 5 Years
Player Pos. Starter Star Rating Dismissal Year Where Is He Now?
Tray Matthews S Y 4-Star 2014 ???
Josh-Harvey Clemons S Y 5-Star 2014 Louisville
Ty Flournoy-Smith TE N 3-Star 2013 Signed with Alabama
Nick Marshall CB N 4-Star 2012 Sr. Starting QB at Auburn
Chris Sanders CB N 3-Star 2012 Jr. at Baylor
Sanford Seay WR N 3-Star 2012 Jr. at Louisiana Tech
Isaiah Crowell RB Y 5-Star 2012 UDFA for Cleveland Browns (via: Alabama State)
Washaun Ealey RB Y 4-Star 2011 Transferred to Jacksonville State, out of football
Demetre Baker LB N 3-Star 2010 Transferred to South Alabama (dismissed)
Zach Mettenberger QB N 4-Star 2010 QB for the Tennessee Titans (via: LSU)
Montez Robinson DE N 4-Star 2010 Entered the NFL Supplemental Draft in 2012 (undrafted)
* List includes players who transferred amid controversy, but not those who were ruled academically ineligible. Source: Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, ESPN.com and 247Sports.com

Georgia's drug policy is the strictest in the SEC, with players losing 10 percent of their season on the first offense, 30 percent on the second offense and being dismissed on the third.

There's a joke that persists on the Internet that Richt "has lost control" of pretty much everything, mostly because it became convenient to point the finger at the head coach as players continued to get in trouble.

"The perception outside the program is that people think Coach Richt is such a good guy that the players take advantage of him," said Greene, who co-hosts The David Greene College Show on 92.9 The Game in Atlanta every Thursday night. "The reality is the opposite. He holds his kids to a standard, and once you cross a line, he says, 'We have a policy here. You're not going to do this.'"

Richt explained his philosophy on discipline to B/R last month, and it can be summed up rather succinctly. He is going to "hit 'em where it hurts."

"We're going to hold them accountable," Richt told B/R in May. "Sometimes, in doing so, if you use playing time as a way to discipline, then it becomes a very public thing."

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The defense has been hit particularly hard by dismissals in recent years, as safety Josh Harvey-Clemons, who started alongside Matthews last season, was dismissed from the program in February, according to Seth Emerson of Macon.com, following several violations of the substance-abuse policy. Former safety Bacarri Rambo and linebacker Alec Ogletree were also suspended four games at the start of the 2012 season for positive drug tests, according to Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated.

Richt's hard line on discipline often times puts his team in jeopardy, and that's OK, because that's not the point.

"Coaching is a mission," Richt said in May. "Coaching is a way to influence young people in a positive way. It helps people grow into becoming good husbands and fathers and leaders. It's a tremendous honor and opportunity, and I think we have a responsibility as coaches to make a difference in the lives of these guys."

This spiel has been spouted countless times by countless coaches, but they hit much harder coming from Richt. The Georgia coach has proven that, when push comes to shove, he is willing to sacrifice production on the field for his rules, a rarity in a profession with a 24 percent turnover rate.

"He sticks to his guns," former quarterback D.J. Shockley (2002-05) said of Richt. "You look through all these years, he never wavered regardless of wins or losses. He actually cares about his players and wants the best for them."

South Carolina head coach Steve Spurrier famously jabbed at the Bulldogs prior to the 2012 season, which featured the Georgia vs. South Carolina game being played much later in the season than usual.

Spurrier told Chris Low of ESPN.com that he "always liked playing them [Georgia] that second game because you could always count on them having two or three key players suspended.”

True to the trend, Rambo (four games), Ogletree (four games) and Sanders Commings (two games) were all suspended to start the 2012 season, which forced then-sophomore wide receiver Malcolm Mitchell—fresh off a stellar rookie campaign—to spend the first month of the season playing cornerback.

Wade Payne/Associated Press
Georgia head coach Mark Richt
Some players who get into Richt's dog house never find their way out. Former running back Isaiah Crowell and Washaun Ealey were each suspended twice before ultimately leaving the program—Crowell following an arrest on weapons charges and Ealey following a mutual decision with Richt.

A hard stance on discipline shouldn't come as a shock to players. In fact, it's something players know up front when they sign on the dotted line at the University of Georgia.

"When you first come to the University of Georgia, he says 'Yeah, I want you to be a great football player and go on to the National Football League. But at the end of the day, I want you to be a better man, a better brother and hopefully a good husband,'" Shockley said. "He wants to create an atmosphere that will better you as a man once you leave."

ROB CARR/Associated Press
Former Georgia QB David Greene (left), head coach Mark Richt (center) and former QB D.J. Shockley (right)
Sometimes, what's best for Richt's mission is a clean break, which is something Crowell discussed in his pre-draft feature with B/R's Andrew Hall.

“At Georgia I was kind of childish," Crowell said. "I feel like if I’d stayed there and got to the NFL I wouldn’t be as mature as I am now. I think the arrest and everything grounded me and made me humble.”

For Richt, seeing his players realize their football dreams is all part of the process.

"I believe in stories of redemption and stories of guys coming back from making mistakes," he said in September 2013. "What I've learned over the years is that I'd kind of like for it to happen here at Georgia, but sometimes it happens at another school. That's fine with me. I realize that those kind of comeback stories can happen. I want all the guys we sign to realize their dreams."
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SpacemanSpiff · Jun 5, 2014

I have always been a fan of his. It's a shame that some players come in with a piss-poor, self-centered attitude. It is what it is. It may hurt a bit, but I think everyone will be pleased with this team. Fortunately, we don't face a tough passing attack until the mizzou game, which will give the D five games under their belt. I, for on, am not worried.

dwalden2 · Jun 11, 2014

LSU starting DB Jalen Mills suspended indefinitely after he was arrested for battery.

jbmccul · Jun 11, 2014

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LSU starting DB Jalen Mills suspended indefinitely after he was arrested for battery.
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Fuck.

http://www.lsureveille.com/lsufootb...cle_b84d215a-f175-11e3-ba3b-0017a43b2370.html

mws4ua · Jun 11, 2014

La State didn't care that Mettenberger pleaded guilty to sexual battery before he joined the team. They also played Jeremy Hill after the sexual assault incident in high school, and the battery while in college.

I don't know why this guy will be any different. Miles will look the other way again.

dwalden2 · Jun 11, 2014

mws4ua[OP] said: ↑

La State didn't care that Mettenberger pleaded guilty to sexual battery before he joined the team. They also played Jeremy Hill after the sexual assault incident in high school, and the battery while in college.

I don't know why this guy will be any different. Miles will look the other way again.
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Kinda what I expected. He'll be suspended for a while, the "team will vote" and he'll play week 1.

Might be wrong, but that's my expectation. Although, he was picked up on a felony charge, I think.

dwalden2 · Jun 11, 2014

Joker Phillips resigned as UF's WR Coach. Being replaced by Chris Leak.

mws4ua · Jun 13, 2014

Yeah, but does anybody even care about FLOLorida anymore?

dwalden2 · Jun 13, 2014

mws4ua[OP] said: ↑

Yeah, but does anybody even care about FLOLorida anymore?
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Nope. I just like bringin the news to the people

UGA has been on a roll for 2015 commitments lately. Had a 3* DB and a 4* TE commit over the last couple of days.

SpacemanSpiff · Jun 13, 2014

dwalden2 said: ↑

Nope. I just like bringin the news to the people

UGA has been on a roll for 2015 commitments lately. Had a 3* DB and a 4* TE commit over the last couple of days.
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