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Icon Stage 3 disappointment - new noise and RUBBING!

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by JEgenrieder, Apr 19, 2014.

  1. Apr 19, 2014 at 1:48 PM
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    JEgenrieder

    JEgenrieder [OP] Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised that I have rubbing after the Icon install on the splash guards where I previously had none with 32" tires.

    I've already determined the spacers on the bottom of the front shocks were reversed and the coils are hitting the sway bar on bumps at lower speeds.

    I can't figure out the rubbing, however. I don't see much of a difference in lift, but I didn't measure it. Any ideas on why I'd have rubbing after the Icon install?
     
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  2. Apr 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM
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    OZ-T

    OZ-T I hate my neighbour

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    Did you change wheels ? Have you had an alignment post lift ?
     
  3. Apr 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM
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    BAMFTACO

    BAMFTACO Another day another beer

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    Also post pics of your coilovers and sway bar relocation bracket. This will help us see what is installed on it
     
  4. Apr 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM
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    JEgenrieder

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    I put FJ cruiser steelies on BEFORE about three months before the Icon install. No rubbing until the new suspension. The shop sent the truck for an alignment after the Icon install.
     
  5. Apr 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM
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    ndcmack

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    Not enough
    Is the anti-sway bar relocation bracket installed? and Yeah the small spacer goes in the back of the lower shock mount.
     
  6. Apr 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM
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    OZ-T

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    Do you have the alignment sheet ?
     
  7. Apr 19, 2014 at 2:16 PM
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    all about the alignment
     
  8. Apr 19, 2014 at 4:44 PM
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    Navar

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    when the alignment is done move the castor forward. IE move the wheels forward
     
  9. Apr 20, 2014 at 8:03 AM
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    JEgenrieder

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    Alignment report:
    2014-04-20+10.39.23-no_names_e772f63c95c11559cb3e65f2f85fae935e9b79d5.jpg
     
  10. Apr 20, 2014 at 8:09 AM
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    Relevant photos:

    Front view:
    2014-04-19+17.02.14_ed27e6588300c62bcfcc3d95d6a1c4b3e48b98ce.jpg
     
  11. Apr 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM
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    Others have reported the importance of placing the larger bushing in front of the shock. THE IMAGES BELOW SHOW THE INCORRECT PLACEMENT! The larger bushing should be toward the front of the vehicle.

    Looking outward (toward the tire)

    2014-04-19+17.01.58_3d42cbf6714c7352724940e88323ba54e1af4cb5.jpg

    Looking inward (toward engine). This is INCORRECT !!

    2014-04-19+17.01.21+-+Copy_f03c27f85cb3950095698239e63dfa7b0e4b52f4.jpg
     
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  12. Apr 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM
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    Passenger front anti-sway bar mount. Is the rectangular plate the relocation bracket? Is it installed correctly?

    2014-04-19+17.01.46_ab078642d9b1c5348af4e93e92293055535873c1.jpg
     
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  13. Apr 20, 2014 at 8:12 AM
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    No clearance between coil and stabilizer bar:
    2014-04-19+17.01.34+-+Copy_daee43dd31bbed80c3f79a405fc54236bc7595e4.jpg
     
  14. Apr 20, 2014 at 9:13 AM
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    Your tires are rubbing, due to the new UCA moving the spindle a little bit to the rear allowing for proper alignment. Have the alignment shop dial in more Caster (around 2.5* or so), and it will stop the rubbing, or minimize it. The sway bar mount looks fine, but the spacers on the lower shock mount need to be reversed. This will help with the springs hitting the sway bar. As for the thread title, Icon is a top quality product. The install is the issue, not the kit.
     
  15. Apr 20, 2014 at 9:13 AM
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    Yes, The spacers are backwards.
     
  16. Apr 20, 2014 at 9:51 AM
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    You guys are a great help. Keep the feedback coming. Of course I want the Icon Stage 3 to be all that I hoped for, especially after investing a whole lot of $$$ buying and installing it. I did not want to settle for the little 5 foot bed just to get the offroad ability and the Icon installation was a big part of my decision.
     
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  17. Apr 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM
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    UPDATE: Icon confirmed your collective ideas and the shop did too. All is good, and the shop guys were especially glad to have a chance to make things right. And I'm glad to be able to remain a happy customer.

    Both recommended reinstalling the stock overload leaf with the Icon add-a-leaf to get back to stock payload capacity, recovering about 0.5" or more. Interestingly, with a cap and bedslide (about 540 pounds), the springs are almost entirely flat. For expedition purposes, I'll give this configuration a try for a while, but I'm anticipating replacing the rear springs altogether.
     
  18. Apr 21, 2014 at 6:14 PM
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    Not enough
    :cheers:
     
  19. Apr 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM
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    X2 on the Icon aal kit. I have the same leafs on my truck and looking to replace with a whole new pack soon.
     
  20. Jun 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM
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    I just installed the Icon Stage 4 lift yesterday. By reversing the spacers on the bottom of the shocks, the tires is now too far back, when they needed to go forward, thus causing the problems your having.


     

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