New Chevy Colorado mega-thread

Well there never going to make the Tacoma haul/tow more than a full size tundra. That doesn't mean they can't make it's tow/haul capacity the top of it class for a mid size truck.

 

The fist part is a given, and do you think it would tow/haul at the top of its class? What's the current top of the class? Or what was it in 2005, since that is when the Tacoma would have excelled most. This truck being 10 years old, it must have SMOKED the competition in 04-05. But now that it is 2014 I don't expect it to be on top.

 

I could of walked out of Northside Dodge in Lethbridge with a Ram 1500 Outdoorsmen for 36K CAN dollars. Dodge will move big time on price. They must build that thing for nothing. The dealer seemed shocked when I walked out after haggling, but the wife didn't want a truck in the end so I didn't buy one.

I agree that the premium is too much over, let's say, the SXT Dodge if you look at it strictly from a dollar saved dollar earned perspective. I'm saying the same thing will happen to the Colorado if they try to ask 40K the diesel version, at that price they will be out to lunch and only equip it on Z71+ models, then they will sell about as many as they sold 327 Colorado's (almost none).

The new Colorado is technically going to be top of class with Towing. I can't see midsize trucks ever being rated for more than about 7500 lbs or else they will threaten there half ton brethren too much.

On a side note, the Tundra is not a competitive work truck on paper (good power... but super high fleet price, terrible fuel economy on the 5.7 L, and no brake controller option). Once it comes in diesel I'm sure they will be more competitive for a fleet to operate them. I was extremely disappointed that Toyota released the "new" Tundra with the same guts underneath. That truck is only for Toyota fans. It's simply not attractive enough as a package for a work truck to me. What they did to the Tundra is like plastic surgery, fun to play with but you know it ain't real.

 

Except it (Tundra) has half the payload and is rated to tow 2.5k lbs less than a gas f250.

 

I don't see very many Tundra work trucks. A few, but not many. Yep, just so inefficient on gas and when you own a fleet, a little is a lot. It isn't a redesign of the Tundra, just a little body upgrade... I am surprised they haven't even introduced diesel yet. Which makes me wonder if the Tacoma will EVER get it, seeing as the Big 3 had diesels in their larger trucks for years before. Doesn't that mean we can expect a delay on a diesel tacoma?

Does it? My stepdad drove an F-250 until the cylinder head cracked, but while he owned it he drove my mom's tundra and said it towed like nobodys business. I have never towed with either.

 

This is toyota fan syndrome. The tundra is in no way close to any 3/4 ton truck. The tundra has a new body over an old heart. It costs thousands more than the competition after haggling yet doesn't lead the class in any particularly useful way for a work fleet truck. It's missing options, as I described above, that companies look for when they buy trucks.

 

Just saying, the F250 and F350 have the same body since 99 (15 years) with cosmetic changes along the way. Toyota isnt the only one who sticks to what works, but competition brings the best out of any company cant wait for 3rd gen Tacoma even though Im running this truck to the ground

 

I never said it was a fleet truck and didn't mean to say it is a 3/4 ton. I was just saying the tundra currently has a higher towing capacity then both the f150 and the Silverado. Its not that far from the gas versions of the 2500 and the f250 either. So its somewhat of Toyota's version of a 3/4 ton but its more in between that and a 1/2 ton.

 

Wut? Do some research, dude.

F150 can tow up to 11.3k:
http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/towing/

Silverado up to 12k:
http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado-1500-pickup-truck.html

Tundra up to 10.2k:
http://www.toyota.com/tundra/features.html#!/weights_capacities/8240/8252/8275/8276

Tundra has the lowest payload, too.

And as mentioned before, Tundra has half the payload of a 3/4 ton and the 250 can tow 23% more...so yes, it is far from a gas 3/4 ton.

 

My bad, dude. Where I was looking didn't find all those different options to get to that towing capacity on those models.

 

Some peeps dont have the time to sit behind a computer all day and do research to prove someone wrong. Its a mistake no biggie

 

Then why spew false information?

 

As far as he knew it wasn't false information. You don't know something is wrong if you are under the impression it's right. Correcting people is fine but I guess you just stepped on someone's toes and came off wrong.

 

Many thanks for the thought....have pretty well narrowed it down to the air conditioner clutch, thanks to the Newfoundlander that posted his whining truck sound to U-tube. I also made a video and presented it to the dealer. However, the 20 mile sensor kicked in - whenever vehicle is within 20 miles of a dealer, intermittent problems fix themselves!

Thank goodness for the extended warranty from Mr. Dietrich ...although I see he can't sell them anymore.....three repairs on the U.S. warranty in Canada on my wife's Corolla have already paid off for that one and the one on the truck. Truck has already had replaced an air conditioning pipe that rusted.

 

The guy owned up to being wrong I respect him for that. That being said I was also being honest when I said gray223 was being a Toyota fanboy. We are on Tacoma world so you shouldn't be offended when someone says that. He provided false off the cuff information probably because he's been lead to believe the Tundra is the best half ton by his fathers experience with it.

You two probably haven't priced out or looked at all the different commercial configurations of the 1/2 ton class trucks. At the place I work we order 3-4 1/2 tons a year so I keep pretty up to date on what's what with 1/2 tons, even with Toyota. We have never bought a Tundra because it is overpriced and underwhelming for business users. A commercial vehicle needs to be tough, have a good price for a low trim level, have all the towing and payload options at that low trim level, and that low trim level needs to be equipped with a powerful fuel efficient engine. This is why F150 is dominating right now, it hands down delivers everything you could ever want in a commercial vehicle at the XLT trim level. Even the XL's can come with the towing package and Ecoboost. Business users don't give a crap about the higher trim levels in general, which is where the Tundra sells most of it's units.

Dodge comes in with a good package too, but we can't keep a Dodge for more than 30-60k before the damn thing falls apart. We've only had two lemon F150's after ordering 20 of them, and both Ford took back extremely favorably on trade. Chevy has become almost as out to lunch on pricing as Toyota in our area plus there trucks are underpowered compared to Fords.

For a town truck that tows a travel trailer, holds it's residual value, and looks are great the Tundra is a good buy. However that doesn't make it a great vehicle for Agricultural Commercial use. I'm glad your dad loved your moms truck, but he probably shouldn't of bought an F250 if he was looking for the traits you described. 3/4 tons are work first play later vehicles and not commuter or daily driver trucks.

Try looking at dealership sales brochures from the 70's for half ton trucks and compare them to a modern brochures. Half tons have nearly doubled there capacity in every which way in the last 30 years. I expect that trend to continue at all truck weight classes as we demand more power for towing our toys around.

 

Idk about this. IMO there is a ceiling where more and more pay load capacity is useless. Once you reach a point you can pretty much haul whatever the hell you want in a full size and any more weight is just extra $ for all the extra beefy components for all the capacity is for nothing. Even for towing I think there is diminishing returns by adding more and more potential hauling weight. I can only see toys like side by sides/dirtbikes/streetbikes/whatever getting lighter and lighter over time too.

I think the biggest advances will be in efficiency.

 

No doubt there. I agree we will see more trucks like the 2.7 L ecoboost v6 F150, which will tow about 8500 lbs and get much better mileage than the 3.5 L ecoboost. However I do see a day when you'll be able to pull 30 foot toy haulers with a properly equipped F150, mark my words.

 

Due to CAFE I think it'll be different. I agree more of the 2.7L EcoBoosts with 8,500 pound tow ratings. Beyond that, they're going to make the F-250, Ram 2500 and GM 2500's more livable and drivable. As they can skirt around certain regs with that upper class of vehicle, above 8,500 GVWR

 

Doesn't look like it's going to be an option to have the Colorado (or Canyon) with a manual transmission unless you're willing to drive a 2WD truck with 4-banger.

Deal breaker.

 

But what would the F-350's be used for at that point? I would think the dealers would want to limit that to protect the higher profit full ton trucks.

It's like Porsche. I forget the exact models but they made the lowest end model and the highest end model. A few years later they put out a new mid range one that conveniently was perfectly suited for that niche. Even though they could have probably blown the 911 away they held back and kept everything from price, HP, Torque all perfectly in the middle to protect all 3 models from competing with one another.