New Chevy Colorado mega-thread

Probably gets better MPGs for the engine they picked. Some are predicting 25 or 26 mpg highway on a 4X4 V6 engine. Since it is a direct injection it has a fairly flat torque curve. GM will have more torque at 2000 rpm where most of us run at 70 mph. Max torque is a little lower than the Frontier but the Colorado weighs a few hundred pounds lighter so I think the Colorado, Frontier and Tacoma will run about the same. The Tacoma has the lowest torque but the weight is lower.
I bet the next gen Tacoma will be direct injection.
The Frontier and Tacoma has a horsepower and torque difference but they seem to have about the same amount of power. Several hundred pounds weight difference.

 

FORD ECO BOOST

My neighbor is a senior Ford mechanic, I asked him about the F150 V6 EcoTech Turbo. He said there so bad, the dealership stopped bringing them in, and they removed all promotional posters from showroom. The Ecoboost ended up getting the same mileage as the 5.0 V8. The problems my neighbor said we're blown turbos, turbo oil seals, seizing wastegates which is really bad and there was one more serious thing but I can't remember.

If your want a Ford, Get a 5.0. Pretty reliable for a Ford but ugly as Fuck, and at my work everybody has one, cause their cheap.

 

Too each his own. You are right though, the Ecoboost (get the name right, you only had to use it twice jks ) is no miracle when it comes to efficiency. The great thing is with or without weight they get decent mileage. Far better than a Hemi and only slightly worse than a "no torque" 5.3 L. On average the trucks at work get 15-18 mpg, depending on the driver. We've had over 10 Ecoboost equipped Fords, with the earliest one being at about 200 K now, with no issues. They have a failure rate lower than the 5.4 L which was somewhat of a disaster of a motor. We had a couple of those Ford motors go sideways on us. The dealer always stuck by us though, even when one of our 5.4 L F150's inhaled an aftermarket oil filter, which is the biggest reason to stand by a truck. Good dealer = long term relationship. Sounds like your local Ford store is a shit hole.

It also sounds like your local Ford dealer is about to get disowned jks. Taking down all the Ecoboost media is a little extreme. All the dealers around here tell the customer to pick between the 5.0 L and the Ecoboost depending on needs. It sounds like your friend may not be totally happy with the PITA it is to work on the turbos on the truck. That or your buddy has an axe to grind with his employer maybe? That being said the F150 isn't a miracle truck. The Tundra is definately more reliable but the operating/investment cost is so high it never pans out for large businesses like I mentioned above. Given what I've seen at work I prefer Fords over a Dodge or GM 1/2 ton. GM's blow out transfer cases almost as often as they stop at gas stations and we've never had a Dodge go a year without a serious issue. My brand new 2500 Ram had to have a brand new front diff and it's just rolling past 30K km's. Oh and Dodge gave us a "warning" that abuse is not covered under the warranty. Which is sad considering I've been very gentle to my Dodge truck...

Everyone in town/city here owns a Dodge because they are ridiculously cheap. Like 4x4 V8 for 27K cheap, easily 2-3 K cheaper after wining and dining the dealer than a similar Ford or Chevy. That being said all the oil patch companies that bag there trucks run Fords. There's a couple of Chevies out there but they're almost all duramaxs, which is a great powerplant but don't get it's tranny wet. Anyways, like I said, in the working class community I live in it's almost all Ford when you need a hard working truck. To me that's a pretty big indication of which truck IMHO people should be running.

Back to thread topic now? Anyone have those diesel towing numbers? I'm wondering if they nerf it a bit or get better...

Also, I used to live in Byron in London, Ontario

 

If you look at 2014's on Fuelly.com

The Ram hemi has by the far the best gas mileage.

18 combined for the ram
16 for Ford/Chevy.

The 8 speed tranny is a huge factor.

 

I hear a lot of people complain that an 8-speed transmission will just "hunt" too much. Can anyone provide info on this? Will it really hunt all the time or is that a small kink that can be worked out? I prefer 8-speed that might hunt a bit over a 5 speed.

 

That more serious thing you can't remember is bursting oil feeds going to the turbos causing hot oil to spray on the exhaust and turbo housing... Had one burnt to the ground just down the road from my parents house from that very issue.

 

The claims of it hunting are unbiased... I think a lot of people use "hunt" in the wrong way when describing transmissions. It's perfectly normal and good for a transmission to drop gears when elevation changes, so as you transition to hills on a highway, yes, it should and will drop a gear. I have to "hunt" for power in my 6-speed MT by hopping between 6th and 5th in both my Tacoma and WRX STI because I either hit a hill or slowed down to 60 instead of 70 (for construction season in michigan)

What isn't normal is a transmission that just hops between gears at a constant speed and constant grade. If its on flat ground and can't pick between 5th and 6th there's a problem, and that problem is usually that you need to slow the fuck down for the amount of weight you're carrying.

We had a 5.3L Chevy with a 4-speed auto that would pop between 4th and 3rd while doing 70 carrying a Jeep Wrangler on a car hauler.... lesson learned? Go 65 and force it into 3rd on the shifter. 60 - 65 with that much weight is necessary for an engine of that size and 4th was too low for an engine so weak with that weight, plain and simple. "hunting" problem solved... it would also drop to 2nd gear, and hit 4,500 RPM when trying to climb hills on a highway. Again, the answer was just to slow down, too much weight for too weak of an engine. In that particular case though an 8-speed instead of a 4-speed would have given it a lot more options for putting power to the road without hitting 4,500 RPM in 2nd or being too weak in 3rd... An 8-speed won't be a bad thing and I welcome the idea. I'd love to drive one of the new dodges with the 8 speed and see how it handles.

 

^Thanks, that sounds like a better telling of what happens. Did you mean to say claims of hunting are biased?

By the way, I also like I said would love an 8 speed transmission. Or maybe I'm just so ready for a change that I'll be impressed by anything

 

8 speed wont help hwy miles really will it? the final drive is still gonna be about the same. city should go up some but i dont see it being any taller than .70:1 or so in 8th. i dont think its gonna have the tq to turn at that low of rpms and that tall of gears mho

 

I love my 8spd. I notice no hunting, and frequently watch what gear the transmission is in on the dash display. Even if it did, I often times don't even feel the transmission shifting. Easily the smoothest transmission I've ever experienced.

Dunno if it's because I have the ecodiesel though. Not sure how the hemi feels.

 

I don't have enough understanding of gear ratios at different gears and torque to discuss... Can you provide a crash course on it

What was the sticker price? What kind of mileage do you get?

 

Never under estimate Nissan trucks. Those trucks were my first foray into imports after a string of bad Chevy's. I beat the snot out of both of my Nissan trucks. I got pulled out of a mudhole that was too deep for my Nissan and came out with only 1 cylinder firing on my 4 cylinder engine. when I got pulled out of that mud hole I got pulled right into a tree. The truck kept running until the other cylinders dried out and by the time I was done playing and ready to drive home the truck was running normal again. Other incidents with that truck, nailed a deer at 55 MPH and got T-boned another. That truck never saw a tow truck, it drove home every time. 2 insurance claims and paying by abuddy cash to fix it the 3rd time. Truck never even threw a "Check Engine Code". My 2nd Nissan, extended cab 4x4 V6 stick fared much better without incidents. The only warranty claim I ever had on either truck was a new set of rear shocks that the during a routine oil change the dealer noticed both rear shocks were blown! This was after a weekend at Silver Lake Sand Dunes, can't imagine how it happened??? I have since had 3 4Runner's and now have a Taco crew TRD that I love, but I can never say Nissan has poor quality.

 

This thread needs to die already.

 

Yeah I think the claims of hunting are biased. I think people are just resistant to the idea of a transmission with that many gears. The only vehicles I've found that have actually "hunted" by hopping back and forth between gears without any speed or incline change was that Chevy and only when it was so heavily loaded. As long as I could specify which gear I wanted as a max gear (for towing in particular) I'd be happy with an 8 speed (or more, like even a CVT that could handle the weight)

That's probably true, we're not going to get a much lower top gear than about .70:1. I think the benefit would be able to run it up to highway speeds without having to spike the RPM during gear-gaps like the shift between 2nd and 3rd in a Chevy. It has to rev high in 1st and 2nd to hit 3rd at a decent point while trying to accelerate up to 70 mph. I think we'd see the most gains in the city and while towing.

 

just imagin putting taller tires on ur truck without a regear, this would be the same concept as having a taller final drive. eventually it will get to where u start losing speed in "overdrive" because the engine doesnt make enough power

 

Can you please not post?

 

I couldn't possibly agree with you more.

 

Im not going to read all 500+ posts here but to answer the question at hand, Yes. Yes it can, and it will...

 

The Tacoma will survive, but will definitely take a pretty good hit. With all the benefits/upgrades the Colorado/Canyon has, it's definitely going to pull sales away from Toyota. That diesel is going to get ridiculous gas mileage and will have pretty good torque. The Frontier is nothing to be worried about. That is all.

 

Interesting video on Ecoboost issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irwbwpuEbQ