Laws making it illegal to smoke while driving if children in car

The problem with this line of thinking is that you are assuming that POS and his progeny have no impact on me and my life, if even indirectly.

Laws aren't made to eliminate stupid. They're made to contain its effects on the population at whole.

 

Hypothetically, a person can drink 3-4 beers, lose control of his/her vehicle and slam into bus full of nuns, too.

The point of the .08 BAC law is to give LEO an opportunity to prevent the latter from happening. It's a proactive law instead of a reactive one.

People can play the individual circumstances game all day.

 

Some laws

 

I'm assuming you are responding to me.

To which I agree - yes, some laws. There are a whole host of absolutely shitty and unreasonable laws out there.

 

This.

 

I don't worry about others do nor do I really care most of the time especially on BS issues like this. I have enough trouble keeping myself on the strait and narrow to worry about others, and when I do worry it will be about real issues in society, not second hand smoke.

My county contains the worst little city in America and it has been for the past decade or longer. Last thing we need to worry about is second hand smoke when the same kids are selling heroin in grade school.

Legislators need to work on real issues not this crap. How about we get some real healthcare for our soldiers? How many of you are up in arms over that catastrophe? To me it's far more important then a few tarded parents killing their kids slowly. Most Americans are doing the same with overfeeding.

I always do.

I wish they were....

 

Is everybody in this thread drinking or something? Usually the discussions I see on TW go
Initial post
Lucid responses
Ridiculous responses
Derp
Derp
Derp
Derp

*locked*

all within a couple of pages.

Most everybody in this thread as pretty much kept it together.
You all deserve a beer.

Sorry for the interruption;
Carry on.

 

Getting off topic with talking about other laws. Please stick to the specific laws about smoking in a car with children. Sure, there are some people who grew up around smoking, and had no ill effects that they know of. There are also thousands of documented cases where this second hand smoke HAS affected the lives of people.

Thanks for staying! I agree that there are a TON of problems overall with government involving themselves where they shouldn't. As I have said, it is not that I really want the government to step in, but when society as a whole can't do anything to protect the children who are being exposed to this, then who will? SOMETHING should be done, and that is why I support the law against smoking. I grew up with two parents who smoked, and then two step parents who ALSO smoked. I personally HATED the smell, and whenever I could be in my own room away from it all, or outside, I was. Sure, many of us who grew up in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's didn't seem to be affected, but back in those decades we did spend 90% of our time outside, not inside a car or house with smoking going on. I hated being inside my house when I was a kid because it smelled horrible, and even when I was young I knew it was not healthy to breath in smoke.

You mentioned " If a person is smoking around their children enough to cause health issues there are already laws that can apply." to which I reply, why is it ok to wait until AFTER the child has had their lungs ruined before we do something about it?

Please keep on the SPECIFIC topic. And if you feel the need to jump in, how about having a discussion, not just voicing governmental dissent.

As mentioned, it would be difficult to do this. I will admit that I agree it would also be a good idea because drinking DOES impair judgment and driving ability. As I have said many times before, I prefer a law that makes sense and is an attempt to stop someone BEFORE another person is hut, not retroactively punish them AFTER. I have a very good friend of mine that was killed by a drunk driver when we were in high school. I have ZERO acceptability and support for ANYONE who drinks and gets behind the wheel. But again, I get myself off topic. Shame on me!

You make a VERY valid point there. Should there be a law where you can't smoke inside a house if children are there? We have laws that say teachers and faculty can't smoke in school because it puts the children at risk. A person's home is their castle, and in some states a person's car is their castle, so-to-speak. So is there a difference? To me, yes there is. In a car the child is in a SMALL confined space. Also, they do not have the choice to get out of the car if their parents are smoking. At home a child can leave the room, go to their room, or go outside if it bothers them that their parents are smoking. I will say this: I have MANY friends who smoke, and absolutely refuse to smoke inside the house. They either go out into the garage with the garage door open, or they go out on the porch to smoke. To me, THAT is what a RESPONSIBLE smoker should do, and that is respect others. There is always a fine line with a lot of things for sure.

Seriously? So the child has no rights whatsoever? Why should we try to protect the child because the adult is doing something dangerous?

Again, we are talking about a specific subject here. ADHD and obesity are not on topic. If you wish to discuss that, feel free to start your own thread.

 

You're assuming you wouldn't be one of the eliminated, though.

 

So when talking about specific subjects we aren't allowed to bring in similar comparisons.

Boy you do love regulations...

MUST STAY ON TOPIC...

MUST DO IT FOR THE GREATER GOOD

LMAO.

Or maybe I am

 

I dare you to go to a local hospital, find a little 4 or 5 year old child dying of emphysema and say those words to that child's face.

I am not trying to belittle ANY of the horrible things that are happening with children in this country. I chose to try to CIVILLY discuss a SPECIFIC thing that I discovered today, and had no idea about. (A law banning smoking in the car with children) Again, as I mentioned before, feel free to open your own thread about drugs in schools. That is not the topic of this thread.

 

What would Jesus do? Oh wait he does heroin. Wrong poison

 

As much as I want to agree with this supposed law, I have to wonder how far is the hand of the government going to stretch into our lives? Before you know it, it will be illegal to smoke with your kids in your own house. I don't think anyone should smoke around kids at any point, but I think we are allowing big brother to control our lives for the greater good, but when will it end?

 

You really do like to stir the pot, I can see that. I specifically stated in the opening post that I would like it to stay on the topic of laws regarding smoking in the car with children. Otherwise what happens is these threads get WAY off topic, people start insulting others, and the thread gets locked. I am trying to keep this as close to subject as possible. Why is that a problem for you?

I pose the same thing to you that I posed to others: How about give us a GOOD solution to stopping the poisoning of our children?

 

I do NOT care about regulating this issue and think it's a waste of tax payer money. Is that specific enough for you?

This law if enforced would also be a direct attack on poor African Americans because they smoke the most and are exposed to the most second hand smoke (per the CDC). Seems racist to me.

 

It's funny people keep talking about illegal to smoke in your own house. That law actually already exists in some states.

Now for smoking in the car with children. Absolutely not. I get it. you enjoy that sweet cigarette and maybe it because I am a recent ex smoker. But I never smoked in the car with Madie. Now I vape and yes I will occasionally vape in my truck with her in the back but the window is down and I believe until proven wrong that vape is 98% less harmful than cigarettes. Plus is dissipates very quickly. I mean if you smoke with your own kids what would stop you from smoking in the car with someone elses that can't be around it and don't know the difference.

 

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/FAQMISmokeFreeFINAL_314723_7.pdf

 

I don't smoke so I say "Yay" to any law punishing those who do. Disgusting habit.

 

Take the waste of money from this law and put it into education. Any half wit knows smoking with your kid in the car is bad....So teach their kids that what their parents did was wrong so they don't do it to their kids.

or do you really think taking a baby away from her mom at a traffic stop because she was smoking is going to keep that child safe and law abiding ?
People always want to make new laws and regulations up and they never work, because they do not in any way address the root of the issue.

The only way to fix society is through education. Laws only dumb down society and turn people into sheeple.

 

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