1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Revery Hitch Pin

Discussion in 'Off-Roading & Trails' started by TacoRando, Sep 10, 2014.

  1. Sep 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM
    #1
    TacoRando

    TacoRando [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Member:
    #137447
    Messages:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    15 V6 TRD Off-Road
    Hi all,

    I have been doing a lot of research here and elsewhere on safe and effective recovery with a snatch strap. I did a search on my specific question and didn't find the answer I'm looking for.

    I purchased a WARN recovery hitch, an ARB snatch strap rated to 17000 lbs. and a couple Van Beest shackles. The hitch did not come with a hitch pin, so I plan on using the hitch pin that will come on my new Tacoma (yet to be delivered). What I want to clarify is is the hitch pin that will come stock on the truck rated for the kind of pressure required in a recovery? I assume it is but would rather not find out the hard way with a bent pin that I have to cut out.

    Thanks,

    Tal
     
  2. Sep 10, 2014 at 9:09 AM
    #2
    Box Rocket

    Box Rocket Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Member:
    #32389
    Messages:
    7,184
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Adam
    Syracuse, Utah
    Vehicle:
    1995 FZJ80 Land Cruiser
    3xLocked, lifted, well used
    The hitch pin should work just fine.
     
  3. Sep 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM
    #3
    TacoRando

    TacoRando [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Member:
    #137447
    Messages:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    15 V6 TRD Off-Road
    Thanks BR,

    Good to hear.
     
  4. Sep 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM
    #4
    hetkind

    hetkind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Member:
    #50679
    Messages:
    1,992
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Howard
    Johnson City
    Vehicle:
    2011 SR5 Access Cab, white with Leer Cap
    bilstein set at 1.75, Racho 5000 rear with 4 leaf kit, floor mats, high lift jack, pull hook in hitch, bed rail corner braces, severe duty brake pads and devil horns on the grill....
    The pin will fail in double shear, not in bending...if you look at the design of the receiver hitch and the shackle insert, there is no place for it to bend.

    IIRC, it is a 5/8" pin, assuming 80KSI shear strength, we have area (pi r^2) or 0.3068in^2, and area x strength = max allowable stress or 0.3068 x 80,000lbs (inches square cancel) or 24543 lbs force. Now DOUBLE that, since you have a double shear situation or roughly 50,000lb force prior to yield. Assume it goes plastic at about 1/2 that, and you have exceeded the strength of every other part of your recovery system. For a truck that weights 6k...fully loaded.

    Note: this is an informal analysis and not to be quoted or used in design. This information in provided for entertainment use only.
     
  5. Sep 10, 2014 at 12:08 PM
    #5
    TacoMiller

    TacoMiller Dude

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2013
    Member:
    #101684
    Messages:
    89
    Gender:
    Male
    Calgary
    Vehicle:
    '13 DCSB SR5 V6M
    Did you consider cyclic loading failure? :stirthepot:

    Kidding of course, you will be fine OP
     
  6. Sep 10, 2014 at 12:11 PM
    #6
    hetkind

    hetkind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Member:
    #50679
    Messages:
    1,992
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Howard
    Johnson City
    Vehicle:
    2011 SR5 Access Cab, white with Leer Cap
    bilstein set at 1.75, Racho 5000 rear with 4 leaf kit, floor mats, high lift jack, pull hook in hitch, bed rail corner braces, severe duty brake pads and devil horns on the grill....
    Under 1000 lifetime cycles we ignore fatigue...

    Howard
     
  7. Sep 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM
    #7
    TacoRando

    TacoRando [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Member:
    #137447
    Messages:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    15 V6 TRD Off-Road
    Wow. I'm not sure I understand any of that but somehow I still find it comforting. I will proceed with the stock pin with confidence.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Sep 10, 2014 at 6:11 PM
    #8
    penguins_cc

    penguins_cc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2010
    Member:
    #41874
    Messages:
    2,360
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Will
    Bellevue, WA
    Vehicle:
    Timberland Mica Limo!
    Perkins Performance Sliders, Warn 9000, Brute Force Fab front & rear bumper, OME/Dakar lift, full ATO skids and hi-lift mount, satoshi, Wet Okoles, illuminated 4x4 switch, Diff Breather.
    Great helpful explanation Howard. Can you clarify on this part - 'Assume it goes plastic at about 1/2 that'. I wasn't sure what that part meant...
     
  9. Sep 11, 2014 at 2:34 AM
    #9
    hetkind

    hetkind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Member:
    #50679
    Messages:
    1,992
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Howard
    Johnson City
    Vehicle:
    2011 SR5 Access Cab, white with Leer Cap
    bilstein set at 1.75, Racho 5000 rear with 4 leaf kit, floor mats, high lift jack, pull hook in hitch, bed rail corner braces, severe duty brake pads and devil horns on the grill....
    Plastic...stretch or bend to the point it won't return to the original shape, and we are going to select roughly HALF the ultimate yield point for that, since the actual steel used is unknown. Remember we "guessed" that the steel in the pin will have a yield (failure) point at 80ksi, or 80,000 pounds per square in, so the plastic point would be 40,000 PSI.

    I got my first engineering degree before most of the kids on the forum were born...

    Howard
     
  10. Sep 11, 2014 at 3:27 AM
    #10
    Willie B

    Willie B Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2014
    Member:
    #123778
    Messages:
    323
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brad
    Lilburn, GA
    Vehicle:
    14 TRD Sport Access 4x2
    My new 2014 Tacoma with the tow package did not come with a hitch pin.
     
  11. Sep 12, 2014 at 8:38 PM
    #11
    License2Ill

    License2Ill Woke like a Coma Toyota Tacoma

    Joined:
    May 20, 2012
    Member:
    #79174
    Messages:
    2,253
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ian
    It's a dry heat thou, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2004 SC'd 5VZ DC 5spd 4x4 TRD.GOV
    Bailing wire & Duct tape
    Did your new '14 come with a ball hitch receiver? Most likely not.

    You'll have to buy a hitch pin when you decide which size & application ball hitch or recovery shackle you buy. And you'll be lucky if one comes with one when you purchase it, because it's usually not the case...
     
  12. Sep 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM
    #12
    TacoRando

    TacoRando [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Member:
    #137447
    Messages:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    15 V6 TRD Off-Road
    Nope, I guess I misunderstood what a "tow package" was. I picked up a Reese hitch pin at my local Napa.
     
  13. Sep 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM
    #13
    MateoTorgy

    MateoTorgy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134272
    Messages:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mateo
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD OR AC 6 Cyl
    I've been encountering divergent views on whether it's safe to use a hitch pin as a recovery point. Some views express concern for the integrity of the pin, while others express concern over the strap. The respected engineer put the pin issue to rest. Also, ARB4x4 has a video on YouTube showing their recommended tips for recovery. The guy in the video uses just the hitch pin (no shackle/receiver combo). I can understand how this would be okay for straight pulls. However, given the depth of the pin inside the receiver, it would be very easy for that snatch strap to rub against the corners of the receiver tube and cause fraying and failure.

    I'm debating whether to spend the extra $40 on a shackle mount and then just go cheap on the recovery strap (Smitty instead of the ARB). I fully plan on getting stuck during my first OHV outing in October.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2014
  14. Sep 19, 2014 at 4:49 PM
    #14
    MateoTorgy

    MateoTorgy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134272
    Messages:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mateo
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD OR AC 6 Cyl
    Would a grade 8 bolt be stronger for this application?
     
  15. Sep 20, 2014 at 3:12 AM
    #15
    hetkind

    hetkind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Member:
    #50679
    Messages:
    1,992
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Howard
    Johnson City
    Vehicle:
    2011 SR5 Access Cab, white with Leer Cap
    bilstein set at 1.75, Racho 5000 rear with 4 leaf kit, floor mats, high lift jack, pull hook in hitch, bed rail corner braces, severe duty brake pads and devil horns on the grill....
    Yes, a grade 8 bolt is stronger than mild steel...BUT the mild steel still shows adequate strength. Plus the threads of the bolt are a weak point, plus the bolt would need some torque to develop full strength.
     
  16. Sep 20, 2014 at 8:27 AM
    #16
    MateoTorgy

    MateoTorgy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134272
    Messages:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mateo
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD OR AC 6 Cyl
    Duly noted. Thank you.

    I'm thinking the necessary torque would have to come from a nut on the side of the receiver tube opposite the bolt's entry point, and I doubt the receiver tube was designed to accomdate that.

    Interesting discussing and useful info.
     
  17. Sep 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM
    #17
    KenLyns

    KenLyns 8.75" Third Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Member:
    #37674
    Messages:
    29,363
    Gender:
    Male
    Belly of the Beast
    Vehicle:
    4x4 TRD Off-Road Full-Auto
    LED Headlights, Volant CAI, 32" Duratracs
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2014
  18. Sep 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM
    #18
    hetkind

    hetkind Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Member:
    #50679
    Messages:
    1,992
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Howard
    Johnson City
    Vehicle:
    2011 SR5 Access Cab, white with Leer Cap
    bilstein set at 1.75, Racho 5000 rear with 4 leaf kit, floor mats, high lift jack, pull hook in hitch, bed rail corner braces, severe duty brake pads and devil horns on the grill....
    Don't forget Mohr's Circle...even if the primary loading is in shear, we are in a combined stress environment.

    Howard

     
  19. Sep 20, 2014 at 11:52 AM
    #19
    MateoTorgy

    MateoTorgy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134272
    Messages:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mateo
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD OR AC 6 Cyl
    I'm really questioning a recovery method that involves inserting the hitch pin through the end loop on a recovery strap. When the hitch pin is simply inserted through holes of the hitch receiver (member 1), the force or weight applied at the ends (at the holes) wouldn't be the problem. The force would be targeted at its most vulnerable point -- the very middle -- by the recovery strap. The formula provided by the engineer, if I understand it correctly, assumes use of a shackle mount receiver, which is why he calculated equal force only at the holes in the receiver, which is why he used a double shear formula. However, in a scenario in which no mount tube is inserted into the receiver, and the recovery strap is connected to the center of the hitch pin, that would be equivalent to standing on opposite ends of a stick, bending over and grabbing the stick in the middle, and pulling it up and breaking it. Double shear would be a situation in which a 2-inch shackle mount is slid into the two-inch receiver, with the two connected by the hitch pin. In that case, going back to the stick analogy, it would be like standing on opoosite ends of the stick and bending down and grabbing, with two hands, the stick on both ends right next to your feet, which would be much more difficult to break. Shackle mounts with 60,000-pound rated D-rings would be the way to go in my humble opinion. With that method, the hitch pin would be the least of your worries.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2014
  20. Sep 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM
    #20
    MateoTorgy

    MateoTorgy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134272
    Messages:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Mateo
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD OR AC 6 Cyl

Products Discussed in

To Top