One thing on 2016 TACOMA

This is a joke right? So 4.0 V6 Tacoma's with superchargers and more power than the T4R 4.0 V6 are now unsafe to drive because the potential for greater speed? Someone is feeding BS, either them to you or you to us.

Electronic governors slow people down, not excuses for smaller displacement engines. We live in a world where you can buy a 700 HP V8 coupe off a Dodge lot, and you're trying to say the Tacoma can't have a bigger engine because it isn't safe?

 

What needs to be beefed up?

Passed up by who? The Monroney sticker has a section that is rated by the EPA, not the manufacturer. The way they rate the vehicles is so outdated, until next year that it is a joke, just ask Ford and Honda who has been sued a lot in the last few years for false labels.

See, the way it works is the manufacturer makes a car. The EPA comes out, looks at several factors and makes their calculations and comes up with a number. The manufacturers have the option to go with the numbers or challenge them. Toyota is one of the only manufacturers that actually do "Real World Testing" and compares the numbers they get with the EPA. Then Toyota calls the EPA and has them change the numbers on the sticker.

So you will see most trucks actually get the same, or less than Toyota trucks in the real world.

 

:coughcoughCMAXHYBRIDcoughcough: 'scuse me

 

Now you are talking about a completely different vehicle and dynamics. Not to mention cost. Look at the center of gravity on the two vehicles.

Let's take the SC add on into account. Who can tell me that the truck handles the same with the SC as compared to the NA truck?

 

You're insinuating that a Tacoma taking turns at 35 MPH with a 2.7 is different than a Tacoma taking turns at 35 MPH with a SC'd 4.0 V6? They both handle the same, the only difference is the power on tap and how the driver chooses to use it, and when. Same thing if the Tacoma had 500 HP, makes zero difference.

Toyota isn't in the business of protecting drivers from their gas pedals. The "bigger engine isn't safe because people will go faster" concept is total bullshit.

 

Getting sued like crazy, had to change the stickers to reflect the actual MPG.

Not to mention they are using Toyota's 1st gen Prius technology, and trying to say they are getting the same or better than the current version.

 

I was only responding to your suggestion that the reason we don't get DVVT is that...

This I will not argue as it is very believable. However, I wish Toyota would do what it did in 2005 (2004) and destroy the competition rather than be on par with it (now).

Consider the stats now and 10 years ago. Right now, the Tacoma is arguably the most efficient and reliable engine while still capable, and is not yet passed up by any other mid size truck.

So just imagine how big the gap was TEN years ago, since it was the same truck then and now. I want that gap again.

 

Not true. The handling characteristics are completely different in both engines, not including the HP. I have driven these vehicles on a daily basis, back to back since 2002.

 

Both engines of what? I'm not comparing the handling of a Tacoma to the handling of a 4Runner as they're completely different vehicles.

My general point is that Toyota saying they can't add more power to the Tacoma because people can't handle it is laughable.

 

I was talking about the need for extra HP/DVVTi could be for larger towing numbers, and that would also need beefed up suspension etc., to go along with it for safety reasons.

 

I never said people can't handle it. I said the Tacoma is not a speed demon. It is a well rounded vehicle that has over 60% of market share and has put several others out of business.

 

Now we're going in a circle. I understand the stronger engine needs better parts. My answer... Put better parts in it.

I won't buy a 2016 if it's a rehashed 05-15. I'll either convert the nose or get an offroad bumper and it will be exactly the same.

 

And I am comparing a 4cyl Tacoma to a 6 cyl Tacoma.

 

A factory sunroof option...

Along with everything that has been mentioned.

 

Oh, believe me, it is going to be different. No revamp or mid year revamp.

I just can't get any info out of my factory reps, other than "Believe me, it is going to be huge."

 

Better positioned oh shit handles.

 

Depends on how the roof is made. Current models have tin barn roofs with reinforcement ridges, just like the Dbl Cab Tundra that you can not get a factory installed SR.

 

Exactly. My demand has been on their desk for years on this. Their response is that when you are four wheeling that is the better location, especially when you are going up/down a steep hill, and the side curtain air bag can injure your hand if it were to contact during deployment.

I ask them to redesign the air bags as well as actually go off roading.

 

Now that is interesting. I have not heard that yet. I really hope you are right.

I've seen Tacomas come from the dealer with sunroofs. Not factory, but dealer. Seems like an expensive modification.

 

Toyota says, "Why fix what works."

I am talking about the new truck getting better parts, not the current ones. Toyota is not going to make a dramatic change mid year. Yes, I would like to see a Tacoma with the DVVTi and beefed up suspension/brakes/frame etc parts and blow the competition out of the water so far they need a parachute to land. (Much like they did to Ford, Dodge, GM and even Nissan to an extent, with the current version.)