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Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Mobtown Offroad, Oct 6, 2014.

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  1. Oct 8, 2014 at 10:35 PM
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    I didn't compare products. OP has no products. I used relentless's info for aluminum construction weight and thickness. Like I stated, I was trying to keep a fine line between "here are the properties of aluminum in this application" and "but this other company does this, why can't you?".

    I'm not putting any products side by side.
     
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  2. Oct 9, 2014 at 4:30 AM
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    Let's try to get back on track here...

    After looking over my parts this morning and doing some fea analysis to check deflection and stress with a load, I am bumping up my aluminum to 1/8" thick and my steel skin will stay at 14 gauge (.0747" thick).

    The difference between my tailgate skin (the large, flat piece) than Relentless is he incorporates the cap that wraps over the top of the tailgate where I do not. This is why his is slightly heavier. I made them two separate pieces because I noticed some people want one or the other and don't necessary need both. Separating them allows me to get the cost down some and pass the savings to you.

    With that being said, the skin (large flat piece), in hot rolled steel made from 14 gauge steel (.0747" thick) before powder coat weighs approx. 18 lbs. The same part made from aluminum in 1/8" thick before powder coat weighs 10 lbs.

    The "cap" in 14 gauge (.0747" thick) hot rolled steel before powder coat weighs approx. 6 lbs and in 1/8" thick aluminum it'll weigh just over 3 lbs before powder coat.

    I am sorry for the incorrect numbers before, I had the wrong material selected when weighing it in aluminum. The power coat will add minimal weight to each part so the numbers I have above will be very close.

    That being said, I am hoping to have prices listed some time today. Still waiting on my vendor for final cost.
     
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  3. Oct 9, 2014 at 6:44 AM
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    Let me just say that the bed of these light assed tacomas are the last place I'd be worried about saving weight. To me, a couple more pounds from steel is a couple more pounds going toward stopping my damn tires from spinning on wet roads when pulling through an intersection... of course that's when 4wd isn't on. But who the hell should have to go 4x4 when just turning into a street on wet roads :mad:
     
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  4. Oct 9, 2014 at 7:25 AM
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  5. Oct 9, 2014 at 7:39 AM
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    Just curious, your going sell the tailgate skin without the cap? So it's just a flat sheet to go under the oem plastic? Then your selling a seperate tailgate cap?
     
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  6. Oct 9, 2014 at 7:54 AM
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    The flat sheet "should" fit under the plastic, but it'll also work if you don't want to put the plastic back down. I am waiting for it to get here to test fit it. Then the cap is separate and also should fit under the plastic so you have the same option.
     
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  7. Oct 9, 2014 at 9:07 AM
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    As long as each piece fits together/with its OEM counterpart I'm fine with it. I would rather it in two pieces anyway
     
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  8. Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM
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    Bump for visibility.
     
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  9. Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM
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    I really don't think the flat sheet will sell. The reason for the sheet with the cap is it adds way more strength to the tailgate. Just the sheet won't do much of anything IMO.
     
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  10. Oct 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM
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    I planned on selling them as a kit, skin and cap but figured I'd over separately too just in case someone wants only one or the other. If it doesn't sell individually it isn't a loss really.
     
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  11. Oct 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM
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    They screw in together with the same holes. Are a sheet and cap screwed together not as strong as a one-piece for the purposes of putting things on the tailgate? What's the cap have to do with the strength of the skin? I want a full back reinforcement so I don't step on it and crush it. A metal sheet, attached to a cap or not, should prevent that.

    And if it would not prevent that, then it being attached to the cap wouldn't prevent it either. The only way I think a one piece would be stronger than a two piece is if there was direct tension where they attach. But as always I could be wrong and would like other opinions.
     
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    Two pieces bolted together will be stronger than one piece. You'll essentially have twice the amount of thickness with two pieces, one on top of the other.
     
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  13. Oct 9, 2014 at 12:29 PM
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    But your only attaching them together with a few small screws. I understand what your saying but I only think it would be true standing on the tailgate with it open. If your tailgate is closed and heavy load is on the top the one piece is stronger.
     
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  14. Oct 9, 2014 at 12:33 PM
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    The screws go into plastic
     
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  15. Oct 9, 2014 at 1:26 PM
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    I see, that is a factor, as the connection is only as strong as the weakest point, right?

    What do other one piece tailgate reinforcements attach with? Do they still screw into plastic or is that avoided?

    Lastly, what can you say about my theory about the two-piece connecting and being as strong as one piece(For the uses that a tailgate sees)?
     
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    The bend is what gives the strength
     
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  17. Oct 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM
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    +1
     
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    I'm sorry, I don't understand. You're saying the bend of the cap gives it the strength, does this apply to simply setting things on the open tailgate? I don't see how the cap being connected or not would pertain to only setting things on the sheet itself
     
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    Lay a strip of plywood on two saw horses , press on the middle and it will deflect , screw an L brace to the edge , press on it again , no deflection

    Same concept
     
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