Firearm BS thread

If it's for the potential situation where shit could get real that's exactly why I recommend something w/o a manual safety to manipulate. When it hits the fan and lives are on the line your finite motor skills are the first to go. Many innocent people have been found dead with their firearm drawn and the manual safety still on and video of several backs up that they had the drop on the BG but didn't remove the safety. I want my carry weapons to require no manipulation other than the trigger because even though I train more than average for these events these nothing to guarantee how I'll respond so I'm not willing to chance it. Proper holster for the firearm and following the 4 rules of firearm safety really does make a manual safety pointless. I can remember when I was first considering carrying a firearm and how weird it felt to carry a Glock with a chambered round and no safety. This was due to my own ignorance to firearms and safety and after time I came to realize that there was nothing 'safe' about a manual safety and more people get hurt from a false sense of safety than those who are saved from them. I know it's what she likes now but sometimes it's best to gently help them see things other ways if it's of benefit to them even though they can't see it now.

All that being said the Glock is easily the best package of price, reliability, accuracy, weight, capacity, user friendliness, lack of whiz-bang features/options to know about for operation, after market support, dependability and forgiveness for poor form out of any handgun you will find. They just work man. It's one of if not THE easiest firearm to service and not only that it's also proven to be the most forgiving to not cleaning at all. There's a reason most LE agencies in the nation choose to equip their officers with them and it isn't just price. You can beat your head against a brick wall trying to prove all that history wrong or you can just adapt to what works best and be happy with it. It may not win any beauty pageants but for the intended purpose you'd be hard pressed to prove me there's something that fits all of those criteria better. Now, you can tweak a few of those categories here and there to get something closer to something you prefer for whatever reason and still have a fine firearm to trust your life to but it's not as easy as you may think and the price factor usually ramps up exponentially.

If she's an inexperienced shooter and you are making such an important decision based on her 'feeling' more comfortable after a very limited cross-section & training I think you're doing her a disservice. That's all I'll say on that topic.

This is of course largely opinion based on fact in a hotly contested segment so I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me how wrong I am.

 

I agree with Jer, except on the glock being the best package, but that's personal opinion as they are good guns, I just don't like the grip.

 

A great point is that if the Glock doesn't 'point' well for you then check out others. I'm lucky in that the grip angle works well for me so I do a look of point shooting in my training with my Glocks and sites are kind of worthless to me. I have a feeling when SHTF most people will be doing a lot of 'point' shooting anyway so this is an important designation for your carry weapon.

 

I put a grip force beavertail on my Gen2 and the hump is basically gone since it fills in the upper part of the backstrap.

 

Yeah, that's what I showed them but they still wanted the bills. A lot of people fake orders to get out of apartment or house leases or will alter TDY orders to permanent orders so they can buy guns or whatever and maybe AAFES caught on to that, lol

 

I'm not buying in CA I just left there I'll have to buy in VA that's where I'll be stationed next. Unless I could buy in my legal state of residence which is TN and then bring it to VA but I thought I read somewhere that I've got to do some paperwork to transfer it or something not sure...


Hey I appreciate all the advice I can get on the hand guns as I'm fairly new to them as well. Mostly grew up around rifles and shot guns for hunting. Only 9mm's I was around was an older Taurus which I hated. I've just been going off what I can read how the gun feels to shoot accuracy and breakdown ease. Price isn't my concern, well as long as both guns together are under 2k.

Oh I agree on the dishonesty of a lot of service members but it goes both ways military or civilian with dishonesty. But there's still a few of us who strive to follow the guidelines even if they're SAF! I mean come on used to a man was nothing without being trustworthy.

 

I should've worded better, the grip angle bothers me.
I wouldn't mind having a glock 19 though.

 

I understood. With the top filled in the hump (that everybody hates) is basically gone and the angle changes.

 

Unless your last name is Bill Gates price is a factor to some degree. I don't think anyone here will argue that if you can fill that need at half of budget and then use the rest for quality carry holsters, training & ammo you'd be doing better than buying two handguns that meet that budget and then have no money left over for the items I mentioned as they may be more important than your handguns.

 

Oh no wasn't saying I was fuckin Donald Trump lol. But the 9mm shield and the 9mm XDM were right about 1k together. But ya I get ya.

 

Even after you drop them in a mud puddle, or in the sand, or down the stairs, or off a building, etc....

SO many "torture test" videos on the web of Glocks that continue to function properly after people do ridiculously stupid things to them; that was part of what sold me on a G19 for my first handgun.

 

I feel the same exact way with glocks but I'm not accurate at all with them. Only glocks I have been a good shot with are the ones that have the tactical grips added for the contour. I prefer the feel of a 1911 but for a blocky shaped gun the walther ppx was best suited for my feel

 

For a carry gun? No.

 

I can think of factors that are more important for a carry weapon and will start with size & weight. If it's too big/bulky/heavy for you to carry then what does it matter how comfortable it is if it's at home in your safe when you need it? All the time I see people talking about a G26 or other sub-compact complain about their pinky hanging off and this is 'uncomfortable for shooting. So? Who gives a shit? Can you control it adequately as you dump the mag as fast as possible? Probably. Then you're good. I can go on but don't really need to. If you're talking about a range gun, competition gun or something you plan to run thousands of thousands of rounds through than comfort & recoil mitigation would likely be higher on that list. Too many people on forums start listing what you need in a carry gun an half of them talk about 'feel' and if you ever have to present your firearm to save your life you won't be thinking about if the trigger guard is going to give you a blister on your middle finger or not.

Is it reliable? Is it small enough and light enough that I'll actually carry the thing w/o printing? Can I hammer fire through the mag as fast as possible and maintain a human size pattern at 7 yards or so? Is the capacity high enough to give me more opportunities at stopping a threat or threads w/o sacrificing size & weight? Will the thing absolutely go Bang! every time I pull the trigger until the mag is empty and can I trust my life on that fact? Do I have a reliable flashlight either on the gun or quickly accessible on my person should I have to present my firearm in the dark? Do I have an attorney who specializes in self defense on retainer already and have his number in my cell phone so I can call him/her while the smoke is still rising from my barrel as I'm re-holstering?

These are some of the more important things when considering a firearm for concealed carry & self defense. Notice I didn't say 'comfort' of 'feel' anywhere in there and if you put much weight in that and overlook some of the other attributes then your hierarchy of needs is out of whack for a carry firearm.

Your needs for a CCW gun shouldn't mirror that of a range gun or competition gun and what makes a gun good at one task can and does make it worse at another task.

 

Well think I found my next hunting rifle...right now I have a Marlin 336RC in 35rem but considering all of the internet is out of ammo plus the local places don't have it I'm going to go with a more common caliber...

Being in PA where the only public land for hunting is dense woods I wanted something similar in dimensions to my Marlin (ie 38" overall length...meet the Ruger American Predator in 308. 18" threaded barrel ftw.
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRiflePredator/models.html

 

Not really opinion anymore than saying placement trumps caliber. There's plenty of evidence to support both. If you want to believe that 'feel' is the most important aspect of a carry gun then by all means, go right ahead. Just don't try to convince others this is the case. Otherwise, you'd be trying to carry a 50cal Desert Eagle if comfort is the most important factor. We all know how practical of a carry weapon that would be. A Glock 17 'feels' better than a Glock 26 but that doesn't mean I'd choose it to conceal a G17 under a t-shirt in the summer time over a G26. There's plenty of factors to consider for your intended purpose and 'feel' shouldn't be at the top of the list for a carry gun. It CAN be but that doesn't mean it SHOULD be.

 

This. YOu get it. Most will argue with you, but you're still right.

This is no longer an art, it's a science. There are right and wrong answers.