2016 has rear drum brakes...

If you're saying best all season tire for trucks, ok. If you're saying best all season tire and best tire for trucks... I chuckle.

 

Nope, best all season tire.

Dynapro is a better tire IMO.

 

meh

 

Rear discs are great in many ways, but the trouble is you still need a drum for the emergency brake.

 

Most stopping power is from the front brakes. When my dad had an 02 Ram it had the most stopping power in its class and had rear drums so....

 

Rear discs love to inhale rocks on gravel and wreck rotors. Keep the rear discs please. If anything they can increase the size of the front rotors a bit and gain more stopping power.

 

They look like discs to me? I see a small caliper.

 

Cataracts

 

Its pretty obvious these are 18s, there is no way the last number in that tire size is a 20. I can't tell what the sidewall ratio is, but this is definitely a 265 on an 18.

 

That's what I originally thought. But the salesman at the stealership told me the opposite. He lied to me?

 

There is a reason why the Tacoma has the best stopping power over the competition.

 

Yep, you are right. It is definitely R18, pretty clear on another photo. And agree with 265. Can't read the ratio either.

Thinking about it my previous post estimating total diameter based on a 20" tire is a bogus estimate because what I was really using as a reference wasn't the rim diameter, but rather the rim plus flange diameter.

 

Yep but for production they will change back to cheap tires if I had to bet...
they do that all the time for testing and PR reasons.

 

The TRD PRO Tundra's have them

yes

Drums indeed are better for heavy loads, more surface area. But yes, repeated events are troublesome. That's why they are out back.

Nah, he was correct

 

Because the second gen had a higher front braking bias compared with the competition (at the time of most of the comparison tests...which are now outdated) and shitty OEM tires that were garbage in any conditions other than dry tarmac, in which case they were not bad and better than some of the competition, where they managed to eke out slightly shorter braking distances?

Too bad drums are crap when it comes to ABS/VSC responsiveness. The ONLY reason Toyota is using them on the 2016 Tacoma is for the sake of cost. Every other pickup truck manufacturer is using discs all around, in spite of the higher cost versus drums, and with good reason. I'd much rather have discs and a functioning ABS system that doesn't vary between locking the rears and not engaging them at all like on my '07, as well as the easier maintenance and better cooling.

 

I don't even have ABS or stopping power

 

No rear disc brakes, deal breaker for me. Rear drums are the reason the pedal has a mushy non linear feel, the shoes have to travel further than the pads and require more fluid to be moved to actuate them. Best in class stopping= not much in the class to compare with= no need to improve the product=sounds like Henry Ford when every other manufacturer had switched to hydraulic brakes and fords retained rod actuated brakes into the mid 1930's. Drum brakes maybe great for semis where the drums are not shrouded from air flow by the wheels as much as on cars and light trucks and an unlimited supply of air can keep the shoes in contact with the expanding drums over a larger range of movement but even new tractors come with disc brakes up front. Every vehicle that I have driven with 4 wheel discs has better pedal feel and noticeably better seat of the pants stopping power than previous disc drum combinations. I live on a gravel road and have never had any more incidents of rocks lodging in between the rotor and backing plate on the rear than on the fronts. ABS takes care of any braking imbalance between the front and rear. Disc brakes are much simpler to replace pads than replacing shoes on drums. There are too many variables to consider to be able to say that drum brakes have more swept area than discs. One thing that is for certain is that as a drum brake heats up during braking events the diameter of the drum expands requiring more fluid to be moved to keep the shoes in contact with the drum. This causes the pedal to go down. The master cylinder may or may not be able to meet this increased volume and may bottom out. Then you have severely restricted braking. Disc brakes also expand with braking heat, both in diameter and thickness causing increased pad pressure as the coefficient of friction decreases due to the heat. Disc brake pads and caliper are open to air flow dissipating heat faster than drum shoes that are enclosed by both the drum and the backing plate. Four wheel drum brakes were the standard when I was learning to drive and my first two cars were so equipped. Both could accelerate very nicely, neither could stop as well. I'll be looking forward discs on all four corners of the "new"Tacoma and a much improved brake pedal feel.

 

you're mistaken... My dad's 2015 Silverado has rear drums...

...additionally drums are just as easy maintain

 

You don't need a drum brake for an emergency brake. I put 4 wheel discs on my '65 Mustang, and the rear calipers have an attachment and mechanism for a fully-functioning emergency brake. Works perfectly.

I agree with those that say the reason Toyota doesn't put 4 wheel discs on is cost. Discs are way easier to work on, don't fade as much, and work better IMO. I despise drum brakes after years of working on them, and will never buy another car or truck that doesn't have 4 wheel discs.