Free Community College

I go to a community college and I dont think it should be free. ASU for example is 10-12k per year with out housing, which is an additional 10k. I pay around 1,800$ per semester at community college including the cost of books. There is many ways you can get schooling paid for. Free money, scholarships, military, ect. After that say someone has gotten their Associates at the community college, they then have to find a way to pay for the university, which is going to be a bigger chunk of money.

 

I don't agree with that statement. There are "some" ways you can get help paying for school if you qualify.

And the fact that ASU is 10-12k per year is ridiculous. Tuition rates are way to high in this country. All that does is continue to put a wedge between the classes as only some can afford to go to school. The kids whose parent can afford for them to go to school have a leg up in job earnings so they in turn can afford to send their kids to school. Kids whose parents can't afford to send them to school can try to get help, or they can get buried in debt. The chance is higher for them to not make it and no attend. Their childrens children are less likely to attend.

Let's try an excercise:

Imagine a class room like this one.



Now, imagine a waste bin up front by the professor. A large sized waste bin.

Now, imagine the professor posing a challenge to the students. Each student is to crumple up a ball of paper and attempt to throw it in the waste bin. For each student that gets the paper into the waste bin, their schooling will be entirely paid for for the duration of their education.

What happens?

The students in the front couple of rows quickly crumple their paper and attempt the shot. 90% of them make the shot.

The student in the middle section crumple their paper, get a little frustrated they are at a disadvantage and they take their shot. 30% of them make the shot.

The students in the very back are irate. Obviously, this challenge is not fair. The students in the back have little to no chance to make the shot. In fact, on average <4% of them make the shot.

Now. Who complains about this challenge? No one in the front, they take a shot, make it and talk and tell their friends about how they succeeded in the challenge. they are surrounded by people who sat in the front, they all had a 90% chance to make the shot.

The students in the middle talk among themselves about the unfairness the challenge presented but 30% of them make the shot. Each student in the middle knows a friend who made the shot.

The students in the back are very upset and are the only group to loudly speak out about the unfairness of the challenge.

Welcome to America. You can achieve your dreams, but the difficulty in which you find that task is exponentially greater depending on where you happen to sit. The only people who will complain about the system are the people who are the most disadvantaged.

 

Venezuela has free university ? I wasn't aware of that

and you are ignoring my other examples

 

Bank bailouts is expensive yo

 

Currently enrolled at a Private Catholic School, looking at 40-65k debt by graduation. I personally took out loans that will not have to be paid back until I graduate. Bonus's to my current college, help finding jobs, internships, work exp in your field. Etc. However if community college was free, I don't think I would hesitate to transfer. I promised my parents they would not pay any of my college loans back, and I intend to keep that promise.

 

I don't agree with that statement. There are "some" ways you can get help paying for school if you qualify.

And the fact that ASU is 10-12k per year is ridiculous. Tuition rates are way to high in this country

The reason tuition is so high is because everybody can get student loans. If these companies ie:sallie mae would quit giving loans out so freely then it would prohibit a lot of people going to school this in turn would lower tution.

 

So you think less people getting a higher education beyond high school level would be a benefit to society ?

 

So, you're saying if you lower the supply ... prices would go down?

I think that breaks economics 101.

 

If loans weren't so readily available in the long wrong this would be a benefit. It would drive down tuition. These colleges say it's all about the kids. Thats bull crap it's all about the money. A lot of jobs require a 4 year degree. I would rather have a hard worker eager to learn than a 4 year brat that can't get off their i phone long enough to do any work.

 

How can less students attending college drive down tuition? Loans being less available simply makes it harder for students who need loans to attend... you'll get more of the brats you don't want to hire.

I still don't see how there being less supply, students, drives down tuition prices.

 

To quote Mike Rowe directly:

“In short, we’re lending money we don’t have to kids who can’t pay it back so they can educate themselves for jobs that no longer exist.”

 

this says it pretty good
In the days before college loans were as ubiquitous as mountain pine beetles in the Black Hills, college costs were like any other service. They were due in cash. Students and their parents had to save money or pay tuition out of their earnings. Many students worked their way through college. Those whose parents didn’t save, who couldn’t or didn’t want to work, or who didn’t have high enough grades to get scholarships didn’t go to college.
Since colleges competed for students, of course, schools had to keep a close watch on their tuition rates. Raising tuition too much resulted in fewer students. Fewer students meant falling revenues. The two forces of supply (college capacity) and demand (the ability to pay the tuition) kept college costs in check.

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Understandably, getting a loan to pay for college tuition was difficult. What sane bank or investor would make a loan to an unemployed teenager with no collateral to speak of? If you could find someone willing to make such a risky loan, the interest rate was more like the high rates charged by credit card companies.
Well-intended politicians decided it wasn’t fair that those who didn’t have the means to pay the tuition were denied college educations. They decided the solution would be to require the taxpayers to loan unemployed teenagers the money they needed to pay their tuition, sometimes at interest rates lower than what the most creditworthy could obtain.
With tuition money easy to obtain through loans, demand for a college education increased. With the increased demand came higher tuition costs. This easy money is the primary reason that college tuition costs have far outpaced inflation and gone up twice as fast as medical costs since 1985.

 

He's right. Ever since the industrial revolution we have been educating people for the jobs that have high demand at the time. The entire system is broken. Education from 1st grade through high school is all about what we need right now in society. This has caused the idea of a well rounded education to fall to the side.

 

lol, ok.. so in our country's past tuition was lower. That's all you had to say. A long time ago, it was cheaper.

That doesn't take into consideration AT ALL the crumbling of trades and apprenticeships because of what I laid out above, the separation of the classes, or the amount of jobs, some basic, that require a college degree.

 

A "basic" education should be a right but to become a doctor/engineer/etc should be a privelage... The mentality of entitlement would say otherwise..

 

A lot of places require a 4 year degree. Most of these jobs outside of engineering are jobs that a high school grad can do just as good. I am sure colleges like this.

 

Sadly it is all about the money. I spent a little over a year in the Air Force (DEP) and was released at basic due to "stress" induced sleep apnea, tried to fight it and with they way cuts were being made there was nothing I could do. When I got back I was thankful enough to land a job as a laborer for a family friend who was a carpenter (not union). Was making $14/hr working almost 40 hours sometimes closer to 45 a week. Worked through last years horrific winter (NW Indiana). Was as happy as could be, being 19 and making enough money to support my self and my new truck. Talked to several different union reps with the hopes of finding a way into a local union. With no luck unless I had a degree in hand. After being pressured to apply to a college, I didn't have much of a choice. What I still do not get to this day is employers continually look for employees that have a piece of paper in their hands that says "...degree." Even if this employee is less efficient then someone without a degree. I by no means am a slouch in school, with a college gpa of 3.68+/4 but school isn't my thing. I'm eager to learn and try new things. Unfortunately I am stuck suffering through college to get a piece of paper that might not even allow me to comfortably support a family in the future... ahh the good ol US of A.

Sorry for the life story, just wanted to post this up in response to coffeesnob.

 

you hit the nail on the head 4 year degree required to apply at most places. We don't care if you are an inept ignoramus you have a degree.

 

Most jobs out there require schooling after K12. Most of those DO NOT require a 4yr. degree! In S. Wisconsin employers are having a hard time filling skilled labor positions and are offering apprenticeship positions that actually pay good. Pay increases with the journeyman card. And they're still struggling to fill these positions. 4yr. Degree over qualifies you for most jobs on the market. So the government might be on to something here. I still don't think we can afford it. And there are services in place to help those who really want to go to college. Just my two cents.

 

FDR was the man. So was Teddy.