NFL Trash Talkers Thread

Ok, this is the last time I am going to say this.

If while in the process of catching a ball a receiver goes to the ground, regardless of contact with an opponent, he must maintain 100% possession of the ball through the process of hitting the ground. If any part of the ball touches the ground and the ball moves or he temporary loses control of the ball the pass will be ruled as incomplete.

Apply some basic logic to this.

For a player to be ruled down by contact the pass would HAVE to be ruled as complete. If the pass is incomplete, down by contact is irrelevant because the reception never happened.

NFL Rulebook:

Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete
(by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Note 2: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must
lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.
Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact
by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the
field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control,
the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

 

Thank you for your excellent explanation. I just watched the Dez replay in slow motion 3 times. It clearly is a catch. He maintains control of the ball all the way to the ground and then touches the ground first with his hand, while still holding "controlling" the ball.

By the football rules you have just listed above - he has control of the ball all the way to the ground with his hand. He then pushes his arm forward and the ground causes the ball to come out - which I'm sure you are well aware of that the ground can not cause a fumble. So why would it cause a pass that is clearly in control and ruled to be a complete pass by the rules above, to be ruled incomplete?

I don't get it. All looks pretty straight forward that it is in fact a catch.

 

You're right, the ground can't cause a fumble. But, as has been stated, if the catch takes the player to the ground, he has to maintin controll of the ball basically until he stops moving. People say he "took 3 steps", but in actuality, the fact that he jumped, came down off balance, and was falling forward the entire time, means that him falling down was all part of the catch. The fact that the ball moved after it hits the ground means it was incomplete. Just like Calvin Johnson's catch/no catch. He caught the ball and went to the ground. Looks like the ground causes the fumble here, too...but because it touched the ground and he dropped it, it wasn't a catch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ol2fuo5p5c

 

It was not a catch because the ball hit the ground and moved when he hit the ground. He rolled into the end zone and re-caught the ball after it hit the ground.

All of the experts agree according to the rule, no catch. Does not mean the rule needs to be changed.

Watch this:

http://thebiglead.com/2015/01/11/de...h-overturned-by-referees-cowboys-get-screwed/

The ball clearly hits the ground and pops out.

 

Because the catch had not been completed. He has to have control all the way to the ground, AND after. As in he can't hit the ground and then lose control, which is exactly what he did.

 

Oh. I didn't realize he had to stop moving for the catch to be valid. I thought Johnson caught the ball in the vid you posted. But according to the rule you are stating I guess it's not a catch.

Seems like a bad rule. I've seen this same thing happen before where I thought "how could they call that a TD or a catch", but they did. Maybe the problem lies in the non-consistency of the call.

 

To me, the problem is there's in a way 2 different rules for a catch..one set if the player stays on his feet while making the grab, another set if the player is diving for the ball and is off his feet while making the grab.

 

Whats the issue with that? Two different scenarios, two different sets of rules.

 

Didn't see that coming. Hope he isn't just a yes man for Yorkie.

 

He's very well respected by the players but that doesn't always mean on the field results. I think their #1 issues is Baalke's ability to recognize talent. Coach is irrelevant if you're not drafting good young talent.

 

Sounds like he wants to switch us to a 4-3

 

And now we fire the best DC we have had in forever....

 

Biggest thing for the 49ers is who they hire for OC/DC

 

Kam Chancellor is a bad, bad man.

http://vimeo.com/116840311

 

And most seattle fans weren't around to see half of those hits...

 

But none the less I wish the Broncos would have kept him.. The guys is a beast.

 

Broncos?

He was drafted by Seattle and has been with Seattle since day 1.

 

Was thinking browner

 

Is that an attempt at a shot?

 

Ya but the chancellor comment didn't help lol