New Tacoma to be shown in Detroit

And the vipers

 

They get good highway MPG because of cylinder deactivation. If you are getting 20 mph in your Corvette it's because you aren't driving it like a Corvette. That is how they test them.
Today was the first time I actually heard someone say they really think Toyota blew it by not offering the 5.7 in the Tacoma. lol.

 

LOLZ.

The V8 won't get suddenly insane mileage if you put it in the Tacoma. Ask any buddies you have what the mileage is like in there 5.7 L Dodge Charger AWD. Even on that thing your lucky to stay around 20 and the Charger has a lot better aerodynamics than a pickup truck. Why not take a V6 and S/C? You save the weight of the V8 and keep the mileage similar to the V6 at cruise. For the 5-10% of Tacoma's that would come with a V8 that should satisify most of that group.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're the displacement guy . You're probably unhappy that Ford got rid of the 6.2 L and Chevy is debating doing the same thing because those engines are a thing of the past. From here on out technology and boost is going to allow us to have lighter engines that run more efficiently than anything on the road 20 years ago. If you don't like it buy a 94 Ford with a V10 in it. Plenty of displacement for you there. Enjoy the 7 mpg all day long.

Agreed

 

How come GM never put a 350 in the Geo Metro? Beyond belief they didn't. lol

 

Maybe all of the whiners should start their own automobile company, then when you fail you can find out why the major manufactures don't do it your way

 

Agreed. I want to see a 6.2 L Chevy Colorado. Try selling that to a customer. "You see it gets 12 mpg realistically. It weighs enough that you can't really turn the truck above 30 mph without risking a rollover and you can't do anything with it over the 3.6 L other than go a little faster into traffic when you want too... Oh and they rated it for 8,000 lbs towing which the brakes can't actually handle. If you hill climb though that extra torque will get you up the hill 25% faster!!! Still slower up the hill than a 3.5 L Raptor or a TRD S/C Tacoma though..."

LOLZ

 

I dont know what That Charger gets, I am telling you what I get between two trucks driven in the same conditions by the same driver calculated by the same scanguage.
Hence my point high cost on your fleet my not necessary mean just v8 vs v6
If I had a choice , yes I would rather drive 5.7 V8 than 4.0L V6 S/C Unless I wanted to have truck for drive racing but than again you can always supercharge 5.7 Too.
If you add S/C to V6 how much weight you save over V8 ?

1gr including fluids supposed to weight 366 LB
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3UR is 222 kg (around 440 LB )
That supercharger once mounted with fluids belts and everything has to be at least 60 lb

 

Fleets offer realistic use patterns. Your truck is one. My fleet is many. I trust the data from the many. Especially since we own several different models and configurations to compare the mileage to. Trust me, the 3UR engined Tundra is the least efficient truck on the road, and it tows worse than a F150 Ecoboost. Our company decided to ditch the few we had from the acquisitions of other outlets because the operating cost on a 3UR Tundra is insane compared to anything else over a 3 year lease or buy period, because of the cost of the truck, cost of repairs, and the 20% lower fuel economy.

You're missing my point from before too. In order to put a V8 into the Tacoma you'd have to offer three engines. Then you'd have to either choose to supply only 5-10% of Tacoma's with it (which is what the market would support) or supply more trucks and force the V8, which is less efficient, down peoples throat. Not to mention you'd have to redesign the engine bay to fit the larger engine, there's not much room left in the Tacoma for a V8.

The S/C is a bolt on mod. You have better economies of scale by only offering two engines on a truck that only sells a couple of hundred thousand units a year. It fits easily under the hood and gives similar performance, if not better with a little dicking around, than the 5.7 L. The realistic mileage of that 3UR engine in a Tundra is about 13 mpg real life. In the Tacoma, which still isn't that aerodynamic, let's bump that up a whole 20% to 16 mpg. You really think people are going to drive that over a V6 that gets another 25% mileage bump? For the few people who need or want the power the S/C is the way to go all around for both Toyota and the buyer over a huge gas guzzling V8 to fulfill your displacement fetish.

 

You make way too much sense for these people If you dont like the new tacoma then dont buy it. Its so simple. Go buy the truck that has the engine you want and stop wasting your life trying to convince people to think like you, some people want different things, and sadly since Tacoma doesnt offer "your" model then you are the minority

 

Nicely put.

 

I believe you and you probably seen fleet numbers to prove it, but for me that 5.7 V8 did not cost me any more than my 4.0L did over the same period . Don't know maybe different usage pattern.
I have now almost 100k miles on it and except additional oil, cost is the same, minus the weight difference between vehicles.
Would love to see new Tacoma with 8000LB Tow rating. Same truck but get that extra 2000 LB.

 

And nobody argues that is better for YOU, so stop trying to make it seem like what is best for you is the best for everyone. We all have different needs, really not sure why people need this spelled out to them like kindergarten. Remember when the teacher told you to worry about you? Your life will be much easier if you buy things you need and stop worrying about why other people buy the things they need

 

My wants for specs...and I am being pretty realistic here.

300 hp, 290 ft lbs of torque
7500 tow rating
18 city, 24 highway, 21 combined
1500 lb payload.

 

Based on what GM did with the Colorado/Canyon, I think those are very reasonable expectations. Fingers crossed, I hope you're right.

 

Basically these trucks are doing the work of the full-size half-tons of not too long ago. I'd be happy with those specs for my needs.

 

Yeah I don't think that's out to lunch at all. From what I've seen this Tacoma is an answer to the new Colorado so I'd expect all stats to be close to that.

My questions aside is whether or not either of these 1/4 tons can really tow 7500 lbs. I'm thinking it'll be just like the last Tacoma and Colorado. Sure you could tow 6000 lbs, but it's not going to be enjoyable because the truck is too light for wind, turns, slopes, etc.

 

Agree on the towing. I was just thinking about saying the same thing. Just my opinion, but if you're towing a 7500 pound trailer with a 5000 pound truck, I think you're pushing the envelope a bit. You may have the power and torque to do so. But windy conditions will be pushing you around for sure.

 

Drove around my grandpas 5.9l v8 magnum doge Dakota and got 13 mpg no matter what. I went through a tank of fuel in one weekend of hunting.

 

Yup. Nothing tows like a truck designed for towing like a 3/4 ton. That being said, half tons tow alright up to 8,000-9,000 pounds. It all depends where you're going and how tight you like to clench your sphincter. I'm fine towing 5000 lbs behind my S/C Tacoma DCLB into the mountains but if I had to drive it up a mountain every weekend I'd buy another truck.

 

in progress.

I tow a 12' enclosed utility trailer on occasion with a couple hundred pounds of weight in it. My Tacoma tows it fine. But I definitely know it's back there.
Many years ago (crap I'm getting old) I used to tow with my Dad's Dodge 3/4 ton, 440 cubic inch, extra heavy duty everything truck. We towed a Holiday Rambler 27ft. travel trailer. I don't remember exactly how much the trailer weighed, but the truck was a beast, and in windy conditions, it still got pushed around.