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frame replacement increase or decrease value

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by yosh1975, Jan 17, 2015.

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Service Bulletin Frame replacement increase, decrease, or neither value

Poll closed Feb 16, 2015.
  1. increase

    32 vote(s)
    45.7%
  2. decrease

    16 vote(s)
    22.9%
  3. neither

    22 vote(s)
    31.4%
  1. Jan 17, 2015 at 3:13 PM
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    yosh1975

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    So for a new frame on gen 2 does value increase , decrease, or neither?
    This is in regards to current service bulletin.
    Thanks
     
  2. Jan 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM
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    wonderman2384

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    I am wondering the same thing my taco 07 has been at the dealer for over 8 weeks and still no movement on new frame.
     
  3. Jan 17, 2015 at 4:32 PM
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    It would increase the value of my vehicle to me, but who knows how a buyer would see it. It would not necessarily lower the value of a vehicle I was looking to buy either.
     
  4. Jan 17, 2015 at 6:47 PM
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    yosh1975

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    So if 2 identically equipped used tacomas were for sale , one had just completed the frame service bulletin and the other original would they be equal value?
     
  5. Jan 17, 2015 at 7:45 PM
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    File IFR

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    Hold on a sec, you really don't know the answer to your question?
     
  6. Jan 17, 2015 at 7:48 PM
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  7. Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM
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    MKW

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    I would NEVER buy a Tacoma(or any other vehicle) from anywhere that gets a lot of snow...new frame or not. My thought is that if the frame rotted, there's a lot of other rust also. So, your Tacoma is worthless, to me.
     
  8. Jan 17, 2015 at 9:27 PM
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    Jimmyh

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    Tacoma with a new frame is indeed worth more than one with a rotted out frame. So the answer is obvious. Increases the value.
     
  9. Jan 18, 2015 at 3:24 AM
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    yosh1975

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    Lol, I do know my answer. I feel, the new framed tacoma would be my choice. I ask the question because a few have stated frame replacement may actually turn potential buyers off. Please note replacement d/t service bulletin not crashes.
    It really doesn't matter to me. I know my truck is much better now then it was. Thanks
     
  10. Jan 18, 2015 at 3:27 AM
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    yosh1975

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    Snow actually isnt the culprit, its salt. Just check out Wyoming, Montana, Colorado. Lots of snow but rust free. Well maybe surface.
     
  11. Jan 18, 2015 at 3:50 AM
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    The question is wrong.

    A truck with a rotted frame will not get book value. So decreased value.

    A truck with a frame replacement will retain is book value, so not really an increase.

    A frame replacement will not increase the value past book, just like any other replaced part would.
     
  12. Jan 18, 2015 at 5:02 AM
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    The poll question was not new frame vs rusted out frame. It could be read as new frame vs perfectly serviceable original frame. If the question was reworded does a New frame on a Gen II , increase, decrease or neither the the value vs a rusted out frame then I'll change my answer from neither to the obvious increase. I doubt that I would buy a rusty frame Tacoma even if I knew it was eligible for frame replacement at anywhere near average used price because of the inconvenience of having it tied up for replacement and the uncertainty of what the dealer would hit me up for for periferalls.

    Even though my frame is rusty the body underneath is remarkably rust free.
     
  13. Jan 18, 2015 at 5:20 AM
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    I'm with Logan
     
  14. Jan 18, 2015 at 5:23 AM
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    if someone doesn' know they history of toyota and are looking to buy your truck and you tell them about the frame replacement they may run from it.
     
  15. Jan 18, 2015 at 6:04 AM
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    If I was shopping for a used truck..... and I spotted frame rot...

    I'd do one of two things - depending on the condition of the vehicle & price listed:

    I'd walk away ...or......I'd bargain for a MUCH MUCH better price.

    So, essentially....... If there's a new frame under there, I'd be more likely to buy the truck and I wouldn't necessarily bargain based on the frame condition. I would know that Toyota installed it. And perhaps, I'd ask the owner if I could look at the receipt from the work.

    Having a rotted frame will decrease the value - VS - a new frame (as long as Toyota did the work) should retain original value (NOT increase it).
     
  16. Jan 18, 2015 at 6:13 AM
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    Uh , most buyers would run from a truck with a new frame - their logic is it's been wrecked ...
    Less value , either way .
    Sarge
     
  17. Jan 18, 2015 at 8:51 AM
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    If I was shopping for a used Tacoma(which I wouldn't as the prices are too high) I would be more likely to buy a truck that recently had the frame replaced. Don't know if I'd pay much more for it but if it was next to one that hadn't had it done at the same price and condition, I would get the new frame truck. 2 reasons, it has the supposedly updated less rust prone frame, and I won't be without the truck for a few months while the frame on the other truck is being replaced.
     
  18. Jan 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM
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    Surely.... however.... that's exactly why you'd ask for a CARFAX report AND/OR a Toyota repair sheet/info. You could even call Toyota with a VIN and they could confirm the repair on the phone.

    If there's no reports of an accident on a carfax report....and Toyota can't confirm the frame repair.... Surely - you'd want to RUN AWAY!!
     
  19. Jan 18, 2015 at 9:19 AM
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    OP, you are missing the point of the replies in your OTHER frame thread, and / or you are asking the wrong question.

    Does a reframed 1995 Toyota have a higher value than a rotted out frame 1995 Toyota? Sure.

    Does a reframed 2005 Toyota have a higher value than a rotted out frame 2005 Toyota. No.

    Reason?

    You can't get the rotted frame on the 1995 replaced.

    You CAN still get the rotted frame on a 2005 truck replaced, and for free.

    Therefore, if there were two identical 2005 trucks sitting there for sale, one with a brand new frame and one with a rotted frame, a potential buyer could simply buy the rotted frame truck and have it fixed under recall at no extra expense. Logic would dictate that the buyer could negotiate the price of that truck down a little since he would have to lose time and money by taking it in to the dealer and letting it sit for 2 months, but in the end - once it is reframed - they would have the same value.

    So you aren't going to successfully be able to charge a premium for a reframed truck, with a buyer knowing the above.

    Looking at it another way, it costs Toyota approx $12,000 to reframe a truck between the parts, labor, and rental fees. Does that translate to the reframed truck being worth $12,000 more to a buyer?
     
  20. Jan 19, 2015 at 6:04 AM
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    Thanks.
    Who said rotted frame? Could be just the original frame compared to a new frame?
     

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