ABS on this truck is dangerous...

OK. I respect your opinion.

 

Yup, there's definitely something fishy up with some of the trucks for sure. Mines is fine but with all the complaints there is likely an issue with several out there. I'm still thinking that there must be a couple of different suppliers involved and this problem could be very related to the recall about a year ago on transistors overheating. If not directly related, the problem itself could have a similar cause.

 

I'm seriously you guys

 

Your family is poor Kenny

 

Just saying, as you described it - glare ice, going downhill - regular brakes or ABS won't stop you if there's nothing for the tires to grab. Failure to stop under those conditions sucks, but it's not surprising. If you can prove the ABS kept you from stopping, sounds like a heckuva lawsuit.

 

He lost someone he cared about this way. The lawsuit is pending.

 

Actually no lawsuit. Its official that ABS increases stopping distance in bad conditions. You can not win this one.
But if you driving vehicle with no ABS you can stop often in at least half of the distance in snowy conditions. That means somebody with ABS is very likely to ram you from behind Unless he chooses to maneuver and go either head on collision with oncoming traffic or guard rail to the right.
If he rear ends you that's easy $500k lawsuit.
"Failing to adjust speed to conditions, badaboom"
I used to drive my truck in snow with ABS fuse out but I was looking constantly into rear view mirrors. Now I embrace my CRV. No ABS and in case gets hit I can go to junkyard and pull another one.

 

Sorry for your loss, Steves104x4. Best of luck with the lawsuit.

 

HERE'S THE WINNER!!!!

ABS or no ABS, most accidents are the result of excessive speed for the conditions. We can all present several situations where ABS rules or blows, but the truth is if most people would just slow down and adjust their speed (and there vehicle ie snow tires and good wipers etc) winter driving would involve a lot fewer accidents.

 

Not me.

 

I think that's been covered a thousand times in this thread. No one has ever argued about driving to fast for conditions is a good idea. The issues most people have. (Except for a select few of perfect drivers) Is the low speed creeping up to a stop in slick conditions and ABS decides to join the party.

But I will agree that tires did help mine a lot. But when you buy a new truck, you don't think you have to replace the tires right away, usually. So you expect things to work, right out of the box.

 

^^^ Uh, huh. That is correct; the problem happens when creeping up to the threshold of ABS activation not coming down to the threshold.

 

Snow is not a good brake unless you several feet of it. A wheel that is not turning has no traction. Does ABS increase your stopping distance on snow/ice? Slightly, but you have the ability to steer the sliding vehicle you can not do that with the tires locked up.

 

My 2008 Tacoma had no ABS. Never any problems.

My 2013 Tacoma has ABS. Its only every irritating off-road

The ABS on the 2008 was INOP, broken when changing the wheel bearing.

ABS is a system that protects the majority of people who can't drive for shit and lock up the brakes without, there are some drawbacks in some situations but overall it is a great thing. Non ABS is a much larger problem for the majority who need its benefits than the minority who are competent and have a reason to disable it in certain situations.

 

Deep snow/ Mud and loose rock basically. Those situations where a locked up wheel may be better than one that refuses to lock up. That is where ABS can hurt

Ice patches, pavement, wet pavement. 90 percent of normal driving it is a life saver for most.

 

True. Everyone who posts here is an expert driver. Just ask 'em.

 

Haha ok. Well then it is a system that protects all of us expert drivers in most situations.

Those people who can't drive for shit would be twice as dangerous to us out there on the road in most situations without ABS!

 

ABS may haved saved me from making an insurance claim yesterday afternoon. There are definately places for it. Like when speeds are higher, there is traffic, and where idiots can come out of nowhere or stop in really stupid spots. But in snow, gravel, and when offroading its a real handicap and needs to be turned off.

 

^^ yes.

That's what the mod is for.

 

Took my 2014 Tacoma 4x4 out to test the ABS in the snow and also have the same issue with the ABS keeping the truck from stopping and then took my 2009 Audi A6 out and did the same test in the same conditions and the ABS on the Audi actually works like it is designed to do and stops the car. with the Tacoma the harder I push on the brakes the harder it pushes back. I get the pulsing from the peddle but the truck just keeps rolling and doesn't want to stop. with the Audi I push as hard as I can and get the pulsing but the car slows down quickly and stops pretty fast in the snow. I tested both cars 15 times and got the same result each time. the ABS on the truck is dangerous and actually increases the stopping distance. to stop the truck I had to come off the brakes and actually slowly apply the brakes to stop the truck. Once the ABS on these trucks kicks in the braking becomes useless. I am not sure if the computer in these trucks records the information from the truck and stores it so if you get in an accident you can prove that you were doing everything in your power to try and prevent an accident. Only saying this because the 2010 Silverado and 2013 Camaro that I owned previously did record everything that the vehicle was doing and if you got in an accident any Chevrolet dealership could download that information and determine if the accident was driver error or and issue caused by the car. I had someone hit me head on in my Camaro and the computer showed and I was pushing hard on the brakes even though the other person tried to say I accelerated into him as he tried to make a left turn across my lane towards me. my story and the data recording in the Camaro proved what actually happened.