How It Works: 2016 Toyota Tacoma's 'Atkinson' Cycle

if they try to make the numbers "competitive" with gm

I hope they try to make the engine useful as a truck, ill give up some numbers for that.

I love my 4.0 and don't feel like it "anemic" like I read in some reviews recently

 

270 hp
285 tq
27 highway mpg

Should I take my idea to a new thread?

 

I actually care for more torque but not at a higher rpm level. Considering the current 2GR-FSE makes 90% of it's torque at 2K rpm til redline. I hope the new 3.5 maintain this torque band at least.

 

your title says professional threadjacker.

this is appropriate is it not?

 

I think so, we don't have enough threads about the 3rd gen nor have we discuss it in great details yet either.

 

She can only remember two out of three pedals...and the clutch ain't one of them. Then came pleading for me not to scream at her for attempting to shift without depressing the clutch at all. She then begged me to not make her drive my car again, ever. I sold it when I caught orders to Korea, and she made sure the beater car I bought when I got back was an automatic.

*sigh*

 

I agree, and I was not aware that it did that good.

I hope so as well!

I was thinking of the wifes old camry 2gr and it had power, but no bottom end. I was ball park guessing based off some wild estimates of that being improved

 

No worries I'm guessing/wishing what the new 3.5 could produce too. The 2GR-FSE is the closest in specs that I can think of what Toyota would put in the Tacoma. If you go on the IS350 forums, there's plenty of people who have boosted their 2GR-FSE with good results.

 

NICE.

My wife does better than that. But she shifts like she is trying to race, and has zero concept of a friction point. Regularly breaks traction in my truck, one day she asked if she just did a burn out. Since all of the vehicles at home are manual trans she has gotten much better at driving normally

There has been a few times where she has come to the stop light or sign and CLUNK "oops I forgot the clutch"

I once let a girl.. friend of the girl I was dating way back then drive my eclipse. She ran into a building after driving over the parking block because she forgot the clutch, panic'd and mashed the gas.

 

Yes

Our e-friendship is over

Sounds like quite the ordeal... I hate those moments. My girlfriend sways back and forth between letting me tutor her and saying to never do it again. Apparently I'm impatient?

It didn't die?!

 

Reported for condoning underage activity

 

ssshhhh, I'm out of here and on to a Super Bowl party, bbq, beer, rooting for the hawks

 

If Toyota continues with the patter from the last 2 generations of upgrades. It should be excellent.

3vz-e 3.0 truck engine. 150hp 180tq worst engine Toyota ever made. 3.slow

3vz-fe 3.0 car engine. 185hp 189tq ok if properly maint

5vz-fe 3.4 truck engine. 190hp 220tq

1mz-fe 3.0 car engine. 190hp 193tq better than vz series

1gr-fe 4.0 truck engine. 236hp 266tq

2gr-fe 3.5 car engine. 280hp 265tq

and the most likely relative to the new engine

2gr-fse 3.5 car engine. 305-314hp depending on car 278-280tq @4800

 

Throttle response was good that time. After replacing the corner marker and headlight and fixing the fender, and repainting the bumper and fender...


I got her a road barricade with flashing light, and gave her the broken light as a gift.

 

Earl Thomas is from my town. Along with Kevin Smith from the Cowboys

Very nice compilation. Question...
2nd gen + 1GR-FE: 236 HP
3rd gen + 2GR-FE: lighter truck supposedly and 280-305 HP
Does this mean the 3rd gen will have the performance of a supercharged 2nd gen?

That sucks you had to do all that. Nice gift though I still have my old taillight with busted lens on my computer desk.

 

Thanks,

the 2GR-FE is 2007 and up Camry, Avalon etc engine. I remember it had little bottom end but lots of power up top.

I believe the 2GR-FSE in the Lexus is a further development of the same family, which they currently use and features the Tech Toyota says is coming to the Tacoma.

I would bet that mechanically its nearly identical to the Lexus car when we get it, with a few parts changed out for cheaper options. And hopefully a much more low/mid tune oriented at the truck. That's why I think less HP than its rated for now but more useable torque.

I think its pretty safe to assume the new engine SHOULD be very comparable to the supercharged 4.0 with a little bit less bottom end, and much better efficiency.

Although, if Toyota is trying to compete with the numbers against GM. they are going to keep the 300 HP mark and I have no idea what that means for the bottom end power.

With the exception of the 3vz-e engine. Which is junk. Nearly every Toyota engine in every class has been very good for the time. A few live on as legends.

The thing I really wonder about, is with all the new Techno gizmo crap.. how much longer is the aftermarket going to have free reign. Obviously Toyota has been making it harder and harder for years.. I hope they continue to offer the S/C aftermarket. 375-400 factory backed HP would ROCK!

 

It sure would. I think the 2nd gen has a great aftermarket stance, moreso than the 1st gens, but that is only what I have seen from watching the forums. So, if you want to supercharge your 2nd gen, and the new engine felt anywhere CLOSE to a S/C'd 2nd gen (except it can run 87 and is easier on itself by being stocked), it would probably be financially equal to trade up. Even my 2007 truck I feel is worth about 16000, ad 6000 for S/C + installation and you're in the base range of a 3rd gen. I think the engine will be a tremendous improvement.

 

It can not be 2gr-FSE because there is no Atkinson cycle in 2gr-fse. And you can not boost engine with Atkinson cycle. (atleast nobody has done it so far)
Both items cancel each other out. Blower will try to push air in cylinders while Atkinson cycle will try to push some air out of cylinder. And unless you put some clutches and crazy mechanics to control both its not going to work. So can it be done, Technically yes. But at the cost and complication that is beyond reason.
Whats curious is that Toyota can not be very proud of new engine. When They show off 2Gen Tacoma in 2004 they had engine specs, announced they have TRD supercharger for it etc etc.
So new engine can not be that impressive otherwise they would be plastering all those "Impressive numbers" around.

 

I think its a pretty safe bet that the engine will be an improvement. If it were GM maybe 50/50 but the play it safe game Toyota plays has its benefits.

I also agree that the new truck, unless the price jumps significantly would be a smarter financial choice in those circumstances.

Personaly, until I drive this thing and see it in person. I like the looks of my 2015 better. And for me, a big advantage of the current 6spd manual is how well it tows. So I hope that the next 6spd manual is an improvement of the current one, addressing some of the issues people have and in a perfect world for me would be

1-5 gears the same, 6th slightly taller and reverse a good bit shorter.

If they change the 6spd to be focused more on MPG or just regular driving it will lose some of its benefit for me. The granny 1st is great for offroad as well.

I think the chances of that are less likely than the chances of the engine being good. I am a dying breed (prefer the manual) and they have the Tundra as their staple for towing. So I would imagine they will not be focused on that. Not many people would consider a Tacoma to tow 6-10k.

Another point that re-enforces my belief that the new engine will by shy of 300hp mark is that Toyota rates HP based of SAE standards for Toyota engines on 87 octane. Those engines in Lexus cars are rated on 91 octane. So even if they keep the same performance level there will be a gap in HP of the two.