Disappointed with Toyota

Absolutely!

As long as the engine and major components are reliable all the little shit I can fix doesn't bother me since I planned on doing something with it anyway

 

This thread does have a lot of humor in it for sure. Here is the thing. When you look at Toyota, or any manufacturer, they are in the business to make money. It's simple. They don't create or design a truck that is a perfect fit for everyone, because not everyone likes the same thing. Each of us here have a different idea of what we would like to see in a truck. I bet not a single person on this forum could design a truck that every member would like. That's just how life is. People like different things. We may have over 10,000 members active on the forums, but there are over a MILLION Tacoma owners. So when you look at it, we are a small minority.

The 2nd gen Tacoma has had issues, not going to say it doesn't, but it also has GREAT sales over 10 years, and great resale value. So look at it from a CORPORATE viewpoint, and really, a smart viewpoint. If you have been successfully selling Red apples at the market for 10 years, and are making great money with it because the apples taste great, would you REALLY want to risk suddenly selling oranges, in the hopes that while oranges are a great food, maybe your apple lovers will stop buying from you completely? Maybe it would be a good idea to sell some green apple, with a slightly different taste, and see how that goes.

It's the same thing here with the Tacoma: People liked the past 10 years overall. If they didn't, then Toyota wouldn't have the popularity, or the resale values that they have. So why take the risk of making a HUGE total redesign, and potentially destroy your biggest seller in the truck world?

 

I noticed the same thing the past couple weeks when helping my sister look for an Outback to replace her Legacy GT that blew the head gaskets at 170k and had too much rust to put money into. Every single one we looked at, regardless of if it were a private seller or dealer they commented on my truck and how amazingly well they hold their value and how much they have always loved them.

 

I am not to mad about the 3rd gen besides the front styling. Kinda odd. But....... I am liking the color pallet they are offering

 

I'm trading my taco in for an f150 fx4 as well. Probably going to go with a 2011, they can be had for a decent price and I like the blue gauges

 

That is the Point. You do Not Know.

You are guessing and speculating.

 

The 2nd gens were ugly at first - and they were a lot different than the 1st gens.
Don't worry.... They'll grow on everyone after they're officially on the market and folks are buying them.

I can't say the front end is my favorite either, but that's not going to prevent me from buying one. It's the entire package. I highly doubt there'd be anything that would sway me away from it. Maybe a totally ridiculous price tag and a shitty driving experience. I have faith that this thing is gonna handle as it should. I can't predict the price tag though.

 

You have no clue what you talking about. Again in old cars with proportioning valve that was the best way to adjust brakes. So front and rear grab at maximum. This Worked for me for many years, it still works for my cars with the valves. It worked for many years before I started doing it.
New cars have the valve, but its build in into ABS. You can not adjust with the wrench but you can adjust with software.
If you wearing front brakes way faster than rear on RWD vehicle there is something wrong.

There are 4 wheels on the car and you want all 4 brake with as much force as possible. If you have screwed up adjustment and use only front, not only you going to go through front pads, end up with warped rotors, but next time its slippery you going have ABS kick in every time you touch brakes, you will be braking with two front wheels only, which is stupid.

 

Nor do you. You want to wear the brakes out at which ever rate gives you optimal braking performance, not so they wear out at the same time. If the rear brakes are sized so that they have twice the life span of the front pads, then guess what they are going to last twice as long. Another example - if the rear had discs the pads were then had larger than necessary pads, total braking surface area would increase decreasing total amount of force required for optimal braking and increasing pad life.

Drums just happen to have a much longer life span than disks which is why they aren't changed at the same time.

If you want an old truck with out new fancy gadgets, guess what -- GO BUY AN OLD TRUCK!

Toyota made a decision regarding which brakes they think are best for the vehicle for the price.

 

Eh right...
You just posting more and more stupid... so lets take your post a part..

I will give you benefit of the doubt. Name me one car company and model that has rear brakes sized for much longer life as front (bigger, etc) ?

No, they last longer because dum asses dont check or adjust them .... ever
Quote from Toyota FSM...

This supposed to be done at 30 000 interval

 

Pretty much all vehicles as multiple factors of safety are built in to protect against people not servicing their vehicles. The reason for that statement in the factory service manual is to serve as a catch all for idiots such as your self who fail to have any logical reasoning capabilities and are unable to realize that brakes will wear out at different rates under different braking conditions - the manual also says to check [edit - adjust, not check] not replace. additionally the Tacoma's drums are designed to self adjust by using the parking brake, most people w/ autos never use this though. They aren't expected to wear at the same rate.

The reason there is greater braking force required at the front of the vehicle is because when you stop you momentum shifts forward, this pushed down on the tires creating a greater amount of friction between the road and the tire while at the same time reducing the amount of frictional force between the rear tires and the road. This as a result makes it easier for the rear tires to slip --aka lock up (braking force is greater than the frictional force between the road and the tire). Abs and traction control as your mentioned dynamicly adjust for this continually resulting in variable brake wear.

However feel free to keep arguing with my Bachelors and Masters degrees in Mechanical + aero engineering. I'm done arguing with you.

 

^^^ my bastards degree in being awesome says..

A (shoes have much more surface area in the rear than the pads do in the front..)
B (Combine that with less braking force used in the rear)
P (front pads)
J (rear shoes)
x (life expectancy)

A+B=(J*X)>(P*X)

Who likes math anyway

Unless the rear brakes are substantially smaller than the front brakes they will never wear at the same rate when properly adjusted.

The drums being slightly less efficient than the disks has an effect too, but not that drastic. And the drums on the Taco are not very small. Maybe the front disks from gen 2 Taco with the drums from 79-85 Toyota would be a better match for wearing evenly. BUT they are less capable, and who want it to wear faster?

 

I would like to know what school gave you Masters, because sure as hell I wont hire anybody from that place.
I also believe you are entitled to a refund on your education.
I just gave you a quote from FSM, and I bet you never made adjustment.
Thats the maintenance that you supposed to do just like oil change adjustment, just like gear oil or anything else. So are you saying we dont have to follow any of the maintenance intervals ?

Again feel free to answer my question. Name a car company and model that has the same or larger rear brakes. I dont want to go into difference between drums and disc so lets keep this to Discs only...
Name one car model with the same sizes front and rear brakes?

Again difference in the force required to stop the car at rear and front is already build into the brakes... So your Google search on this is pointless.
You last statement sounds like somebody who have no prior mechanical Knowledge.
Which only cements my belief that whatever school gave you

Should get their credentials revoked.

 

I never said larger than front, I said oversized for their application. The rear simply needs less braking power. The brakes are sized relative to what performance is required from them. From the front - stopping power. From the rear mainly assistance in stopping and holding power. All cars pretty much have oversized rear brakes for braking. Engineers dotn choose brake size based on how long they expect the other set to last.

 

You're still talking? Good lord, you must find a hobby or some other way to spend your time..