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Alignment Problems - Caster Maxed Out

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Khoolguy, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. Feb 24, 2015 at 9:29 PM
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    Khoolguy

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    I installed a 3 lift on my 2011 Tacoma with Icon Shocks and Camburg 1" uniball UCA. I took my truck to firestone to get an alignment and the truck pulled to the right. I took it to another firestone to have them check it out and they said the Caster was off and was already maxed out. I bought the Camburg UCA because they were supposed to fix the caster problem when lifting the truck. The Left side was maxed out at .08 and left side was maxed out at .07 Anyone know what I can do to solve this problem ? Thanks, Greg

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  2. Feb 24, 2015 at 9:34 PM
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    Go to a different shop. Firestone has their head buried so far up their ass they can't do anything right. Take a picture of your eccentric bolts and I'll tell you if they are maxed out or not.

    You can also sacrafice a little bit of negative camber to get more positive caster. I actually prefer this, but I live in the mountains and always wear out the outsides of my tires first. I have my camber at about -1* so I can get over 3* on caster.
     
  3. Feb 24, 2015 at 9:42 PM
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    Not enough
    It appears you have a ton of preload on your coil-overs. If you lower the front coil-overs a bit you will get more alignment movement(Caster). What's your hub to fender measurement?
     
  4. Feb 24, 2015 at 9:51 PM
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    Looks heavily preloaded with the truck off the ground, but the ride height picture he had in the parking lot looks completely fine.
     
  5. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:01 PM
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    I believe picture #3 is on the ground and uni-ball almost full dropped at ride height. Either way that is a ton of preload! I have 1" of threads showing for 2.5" lift on a dcsb 4.0l, that looks like over 2" of preload which I would assume 4-5" lift.

    OP, we need more info on hub to fender measurements and alignment cam photos to insure our caster is maxed out.
     
  6. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:10 PM
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    There's no way picture three is on the ground. Misalignment is maxed out and touching the uniball cup. My guess is it's just a picture he took before he dropped the truck on the ground and went for a spin to settle the suspension.

    Preload itself won't affect alignment. It affects ride height...which affects alignment. But as I said earlier, if the second picture is actual ride height with that preload, it shouldn't matter with regards to alignment.

    That said, too light of a spring rate, too short of a spring, and clapped out springs all impact overall ride height. I agree he's got way too many threads showing indicating the springs are shot or too light, but new springs won't change the alignment problem if he maintains that ride height.

    I've had 4 different Firestone's attempt to align my truck. One guy...at one of the shops was worth his paycheck. The rest were morons. I gave up and got my lifetime alignment money back.
     
  7. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:10 PM
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    I'll get the hub to fender measurements tomorrow. When I got the shocks they were already set with the preload that way. I got All Pro standard leafs in the rear and the rear sits a tad higher then the front. Yeah it drives pretty stiff in front, so I'll lower the preload but dont know what to do with the rear, maybe sell the leafs and put my stock back on with add a leaf ?
     
  8. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:13 PM
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    Picture #3 is on the ground
     
  9. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:15 PM
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    You could just take a leaf out of your Allpro standards to lower it a little.
     
  10. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:15 PM
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    Springs (be it leaf springs or coils) are not buy once cry once. They are consumables. Since you bought them used, chances are they're well used, especially with that much preload. I'd suggest you step up to 14" long coils at 600, 650 or 700 lb spring rate (depending on what your future plans are for bumpers, skids, winch, sliders, etc).

    Right after dropping it or that's how it sits all the time?
     
  11. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:20 PM
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    Center of hub to bottom of fender is 24"
     
  12. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:23 PM
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    Right after dropping it or that's how it sits all the time?[/QUOTE]

    thats how it sits after driving
     
  13. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:25 PM
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    Yeah that's high. IIRC factory is 20" on a second gen. Take out a little less than 1/2" of preload and it will drop the truck about 1". You basically want that uniball bolt almost dead nuts in the middle of the cup at ride height.
    I stand corrected on the ride height picture!
     
  14. Feb 24, 2015 at 10:48 PM
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    Not enough
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  15. Feb 25, 2015 at 9:03 AM
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    This doesn't fuck your tires up too much?
     
  16. Feb 25, 2015 at 9:05 AM
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    No. Driving style and terrain wears them evenly.
     
  17. Feb 25, 2015 at 9:13 AM
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    Hmm, so you do both at a negative, makes sense with lots of turny roads the outside being loaded more. Never really noticed excessive outside wear on mine, but may give this a go.
     

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