Toyota Tacoma Diesel Not Worth it Says Chief Engineer

Nope lol, we just have the stock inline 4. The stock motor pulls really well actually. That GDI engine technology from Korea is impressive. I think it's 2.4 L. It's rated around 35 mpg for highway I believe. We've been getting better than that with the car from time to time, which is why I said 42 mpg is the optimal fuel efficiency in the best conditions. The car does see mainly highway since her work is 30 minutes away on a freeway. Just like 55 mpg was the optimal fuel efficiency from your buddies Golf. If you do the calculation with 35 mpg and 45 mpg I'm sure the results are close enough to my original statement .

Prove to me that a diesel can get 75% or better fuel economy over a Diesel IRL conditions and provide the same performance as a Gasoline engine. At that point the Diesel could earn back something over 60,000 miles. At that point I'd be impressed to consider one in a car or small truck. Until then, to me, diesel engines are just another tool in the tool box. Great for some applications, but not all.

 

I disagree. There are plenty of concerns with the Dodge about the engine itself having many issues, just like the others. The thing is, yes they all have issues, but no more than the gasoline engines when compared properly. Regardless, Toyota has made their decision to wait.

 

My buddy disagrees with Toyota then... He is in the process of swapping a Benz Turbo Diesel in his Toyota P/U. That thing is going to be a torque monster! He also has plans to SAS in the near future! Looking forward to watching the transformation!!!

 

That's fair. So you're not one of the people who want a diesel. So that means now I shouldn't want one either? I want them to OFFER a diesel. They can offer gasoline engines too.

Also, everyone keeps talking about diesel paying for itself. I don't care about that. I'll pay extra for something I like more and I would like a small diesel Tacoma. Pretty simple.

Reminds me of gun haters. If you don't like guns, don't buy one. But don't say I can't.

 

Yes.

 

General motors left a nasty taste for diesel in the USA back in the 1970's. Lots have never gotten over it.

 

Yeah complete BS. You may get 42 mpg once in a blue moon. (Downhill with wind to tail) but 35 mpg rated car not gonna get 42 mpg in any normal conditions. In city driving you may get 25 mpg at best.
Vs Tdi that will do at least 49 mpg on highway all the time. If we talking about rare occasions I got almost 60 mpg on my trip down south. But that was not a rule. 49 mpg was what I was getting on the highway, and my city driving was always 42 + mpg thanks to all the low end torque. (You could be on 5th at 1000 rpms)
Diesel will burn almost no fuel at idle which makes ideal for heavy traffic.
In fact that diesel in Tdi is so efficient that in winter at 20f will never heat up beyond lukewarm which was one of the drawbacks of having one in cold climate.
Toyota not bringing diesel is stupid, but now with GM selling diesel, Nissan getting smaller V8. At least we have other choices.

 

Because you've been in our car a ton. I'll be glad when the Duramax is finally available in the Colorado. Then you can spend time learning how disappointing it will be compared to your expectations rather than running your mouth on this forum.

 

Hahaha

Threads like these are a joke... Mythical engines

 

haha, nice

marketing is key, and return value has major clout with consumers. seeing as a lot of drivers never own a vehicle for more then a few years (dedicated owners not included) or after so many miles trade them in they would never see return value.

Then put a diesel in yourself with a swap. Toyota doesn't see the value and they are the boss on the decision, not us.

Actually, not seeing a profit makes them smart, you're just a jaded individual who will keep coming back because Toyota at this time makes the most reliable of the bunch.


And as far as mileage goes, if you take care of it and do proper maintenance there is no reason other than a potential defect to get several hundreds of thousands of miles. Hell this forum has a 200, 250, 300+ mileage club post. Keep it working and it will keep working.

 

Comparing those who don't like guns to those who don't like diesels is apples to oranges.

Here is the thing, sure YOU want a diesel, and hell, let's say that 25% of the people on this forum want a diesel. that is no where NEAR the amount of customers needed for Toyota to consider designing and building a diesel option for the Tacoma. It's not like they can just magically say POOF! there is your diesel engine for the Tacoma. They have to design it, test it, verify EPA regulations, test again, etc, etc. It take a BUTT load of money to do a major change like that. and considering that Toyota already has a solid market share of the Mid-sized truck industry, it becomes a risk factor as well. Make a diesel option, then if it fails, they lose MILLIONS of dollars. I'm not saying you can't have a diesel. I don't even dislike them. They are a great engine. If Toyota makes a Tacoma with a diesel, go buy one. But right now the powers that be say it is not a cost effective option for them yet.

 

If Toyota thought they would make a profit offering a diesel Tacoma , they would be offering one

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couldn't agree with you more.

 

Seconded.....

All in favor?

 

Aye

 

I would have been interested in a 4 cylinder turbo diesel Toyota pickup about 10-15 years ago. Back when diesels were still fairly simple and cheap to maintain. But not anymore. Whatever we would get will be a choked up and very expensive vehicle that most likely wouldn't pay off in the long run for two thirds of the people who bought one when you factor in purchase price, fuel costs, and maintenance.

All of the trucks and equipment I use at work with the emissions control devices are high maintenance and expensive. Especially the tier 4 diesel controls they have now has made them not worth it in my opinion. They go down constantly for repair.

Give me an old Cat, Cummins, IH, or Kubota with mechanical injection and no EGR, cats, or urea injection any day. You can keep your "California Certified Clean Idle" engines.

 

I think most that know about the Newer Diesel Engines will agree with you on all of your points

 

A friend of mine has Mercedes Sprinter van with the 4 cyl diesel. It has 90,000 miles on it and has been in the shop four times for the emissions control systems.

I think ford has it right, a turbo gasser. I just want forced induction on the taco I don't care if it's gas or diesel.

 

Which brings the conversation back full circle - If you bought a Tacoma to primarily be used as a truck, you bought the wrong vehicle....

David

 

Horseshit

That implies that only a full size can act as " a truck "