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6112's HERE!

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by markc6606, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. May 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM
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    JBecker

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    His is an AC V6 6 speed 4x4, mine an AC 4 cyl 5 speed 4x4. Tire pressure on both is 32 psi. So they are very similar trucks.

    Regarding valving, it's definitely a different valve stack due to the size difference, whether it's different or not as far as setup, I don't know. However with regard to hydraulics, the larger the valving size, typically you get a better performing setup. This has always been the case with the motorcycle suspension I've had.

    Either way, this is a better performing shock than the 5100, I guarantee that. Not sure why people think there wouldn't be a difference in the two considering how many here are running other 2.5" coil overs and sing their praises. I hope someone takes the time to compare the two Bilstein options on a shock dyno. I'd be very interested in seeing that results.
     
  2. May 2, 2015 at 3:20 PM
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    The more I drive it, the more I think I'm going to leave it on the 2nd notch. The bro lean is minimal at best, and I'm already getting compliments on the truck from random people.


    Ask and ye shall receive. :D

    Before:
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    and After: (2nd notch)
    IMG_0955_zps3h3vdbvv_6522b70689473d9ecd858f0e377bd8118633c99c.jpg
     
  3. May 2, 2015 at 4:31 PM
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    chris4x4

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    They are both a 255/70 valving according to Bilstien.

    Rebound force is 2550 Newtons at 0.52 m/s
    Compression force is 700 Newtons at 0.52 m/s
     
  4. May 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM
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    ugh.... brolean is such a bad look.
     
  5. May 2, 2015 at 7:14 PM
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    But you do realize that even if they are running the same valving, doesn't mean they are equal in ride quality and performance right? I'd wager Fox is running a similar valving setup in their 2.0 and 2.5 shocks.

    You bring up temps being lower on these, and I definitely agree with you there. A street truck is not a race vehicle. They are totally different animals. But the main benefit of larger oil volume is more consistency. The more oil, the less drastic the temperature fluctuations. And that is a benefit many overlook. A more rigid shock due to a larger body and damping rod is always a plus.

    Either way, I'm sold this is a better setup than the 5100. I have personal experience with both, and the ride is superior. This is also my 5th Toyota IFS 4wd truck, and it is the best riding by a long shot, even with E load rated tires. Feel free to disagree with me, but the people with TX Baja, TRD Pro, and 6112 suspension all seem to be impressed with the ride quality, and so far I haven't seen you say anything other than what you've read. Give one a drive on a rough dirt road at speed and I bet you'd be impressed as well. If these hadn't come out I'd probably have gotten a Fox 2.5 non piggyback setup. But the Bilstein was only about 65% of that price.
     
  6. May 2, 2015 at 9:17 PM
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    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    Valving force is the same. Doesn't matter if its a 1.5" shock, or a 4" shock, if they are both valved 255/70 (for example), they will ride the same given the same spring rates. As for the volume of oil, ideal shock operation temps are around 140* to 180*. Anything over a 2.0 shock is going to be hard to get to that temp, excluding long travel folks. A larger shock shaft is moot. The load is applied on one plane, so larger isn't needed on a 4000 to 5000 pound truck. And...as for riding in one, I have. They are better than the OEM stock shocks, but nothing to write home about. Compared to the coilovers on the market, they are marginal at best. Now.....Im not knocking them just to do so, but pointing out that people need to ask themselves a couple questions. Does the benefit of these outweigh the additional cost? In my opinion, No. Over the 5100's, not at all. However, given the cost of these, if you are looking for a performance shock, why not save a little more, and get a quality coilover, that's fully adjustable, tunable, rebuild able, for a few hundred bucks more? If they were 150 bucks less, then I might see a value in them.
     
  7. May 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM
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    I agree with the cost wise. If they were 150 bucks less, I would see them as a value. At their cost I'd spend a little bit more for better quality or spend a little bit less for almost the same quality.
     
  8. May 3, 2015 at 9:15 PM
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    Just curious, did your truck come with TSB rear springs, or did you take it in to have them put on?
     
  9. May 4, 2015 at 2:02 AM
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    Didn't come with them. The service manager at my dealer hooked me up.
     
  10. May 4, 2015 at 9:13 AM
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    Markc6606, ever find out what's going on with the ride?
     
  11. May 4, 2015 at 1:11 PM
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    The valving of the Bilstiens is given in Force/Time. I gave the definition in my other post. A 255/70 valving, is the same as a 255/70 valving in any other shock. If it was different, it would be listed as such.
     
  12. May 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM
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    And a Tundra is a bit heavier than a Tacoma, so a 255/70 valving is going to feel softer in that vehicle.
     
  13. May 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM
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    It's getting aligned and checked tmrw or the next day. I'll post results for sure.
     
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  14. May 4, 2015 at 2:52 PM
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    @TacoDeLaPlaya, and info for other folks regarding shocks:

    Larger diameter has nothing to do with dampening characteristics.
     
  15. May 4, 2015 at 3:09 PM
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    Agreed with Chris4x4, damping is damping. If the damping force is indeed the same then all other things being equal (sprung mass, spring rate, and forcing function) the response will be the same. The only benefit would be a larger heat reservoir.

    I also have it in my head for some reason that these might have slightly more travel than normal but I am not sure waiting on measurements.

    For the record, I have 6112's waiting to go on.
     
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  16. May 14, 2015 at 4:47 PM
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    so i been looking at getting bilstein 6112 and 5160 in the rear. I have a 2015 double cab tss 4x4 6cyl. Anyone think I would get the slightest lift in the rear with 5160 alone? Looking to set the 6112 at the second notch. merlin4979 did you do anything to the rear suspension?
     
  17. May 14, 2015 at 4:56 PM
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    chris4x4

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    The rear shocks don't provide lift.
     
  18. May 14, 2015 at 6:06 PM
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    As chris4x4 stated, rear shocks alone don't provide any lift, but the 5160s and 5165s are good short body shocks. Too often we see people trying to get more travel without considering the body size, which can actually limit travel.

    Bilstein actually used my '05 Tacoma to develop the 5100s! The only benefit I can see to getting the 6112s is an added height setting and new coil springs if you need them. Having ran the 5100s for a short time on my Tacoma and '10 Tundra, then switching to Fox coil-overs, I'll never go back. BUT, I do run Bilstein 5165s on my older 4Runner and Land Cruiser with leaf springs.
     
  19. May 15, 2015 at 7:10 AM
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    Nothing other than the 5160's in the rear. Wanted to just level it out.
     
  20. May 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM
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    Did you use aftermarket coils on 5100? If I did 5100 i think I'd use eibach coils but will that stiffin the ride? I want a nice kinda spongy ride with around 1.5"-2" of lift front and back.
     

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