OK, the 3.5 should be a good engine

You do realize Toyota is already the world's most fuel efficient full line manufacturer right?? Can't of hard beat everyone when you're already #1

 

I'm a controls engineer and cover all of the northern half of Alabama.. A lot of my customers are automotive based.. Honda, Mercedes, Toyota and all teir manufactures..

Toyotas engine plant TMMA is in Huntsville, AL.. I have been helping them with a lot of poka-yoke applications with the new 3.5 engine... They ran the first batch of 100 the first of Feb and another batch in May.. They will then tear them apart and investigate everything about them. I have helped them with a number of different sensors and vision systems to measure trueness of the heads, water jackets, rods, cranks.. etc..

I asked them why they changed to the 3.5 and they said that Toyota is moving to a common engine platform.. In other words one engine can work in several different vehicles.. Full production starts in August.

 

First: I called his statement stupid and not him.
Second: Feel free to block me, if thats what you think.
Maybe we should burn science books also.
His statement just like many here is based on some twisted logic, and wishful thinking.
Now some info..
V12 Audi A8 that has Curb weight of 4800LB has MPG...
14/22
Thats a 6.3 Liter v12 engine.. in the car that weights more than Double Cab long bed...
As I said displacement and number of cylinder has very little to do with end MPG.
But folks can believe in whatever Unicorns they want.

 

mang those V8 Collies...were a hoot to drive...too bad the platform was such a POS.

V8+Tacoma=

I would have to agree with BlueT on that one, the DCLB Taco needs a V8. Of course...think you're better off buying an extra cab short bed fullsize instead of the the DCLB Taco. Wheel base is darn close...I know a Silverado has 143" WB, (Taco DCLB is 140" IIRC) track is a little more..and just a bit more rear seat leg room.

 

You're comparing apples and oranges.

The Tacoma has the aerodynamic drag of a brick. The Audi is dramatically better there. Makes a huge difference.

Mike Sweers said they put a lot of effort into aerodynamics for 2016 because it helped fuel economy. Same reason GM uses the giant air dams on their front ends.

 

You can care about fuel economy without it being the only driving force of your purchase. The v6 4x4 long bed is a common option because of how functional it is, that doesn't mean owners don't care about the mpg. When a midsized truck is coming close to getting beat out in the efficiency department by full size trucks, something is wrong and that's why a lot of people turn to the full size market. They want the functionality of a v6 4x4 long bed without the efficiency of a tank, especially when it can be had across the road at the Ford dealership.

Have you ever heard of the Dodge Dakota? If so, there's a reason. If not, there's a reason.

He never claimed fuel economy was the only choice the buy a vehicle. He claimed fuel economy was what the Tacoma needed.

This isn't the first time you've responded to a sound argument in a way that seems almost like you have a personal problem with the other party.

Not in the truck department by a long shot. In 2005, which is where every Tacoma on the road today is from, it was #1 in nearly every category. After that, other manufacturers stepped up their game and Toyota didn't produce anything new because it didn't have to, due to Tacoma sales numbers. I really hope they come out again and crush the competition.

On this forum the biggest comparison I see is to the F-150. Not because they're in the same class, but because they're two popular buying choices, and the Ford F-150 has pretty much the same mpg as well as more creature comforts and towing capacity.

So Toyota really needs to get this truck up there with the numbers.

 

Weren't you just talking about aerodynamics determining MPG...

 

OH YEAH!? Well let me tell you something about that! You are so wrong buddy, SO SO WRONG! Let me explain why... you see... uh... well...

fuck it you're right.

 

Logic has no place in his discussion

I'm starting to think the dude in his avatar is actually how he looks like in real life, and that would explain A LOT

 

Getting back to topic, this ^.

For example a Ford 5.4 L Triton put out 260 hp (194 kW) and 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) in 2004. I had friends with this truck and they got somewhere around 15 mpg combined on a good day. Now Ford has the 5.0 L Coyote in there truck putting out 385 hp (287 kW) and 387 lb·ft (525 N·m). My wife gets close to 20 mpg with our 2015 F150 XTR 4x4 Crew. That's a massive jump in that time span while increasing power, decreasing displacement, and increased mileage. Both the engines I mentioned are in the same engine family, much like the 1 GR and 7 GR.

I hope Toyota's 3.5 L 7GR will keep up with this change and impress us all.

 

I wonder ir Nissan may exit the mid sized market or let it wither considering the Titan and the Frontier used to share so many parts. I know that Nissan toyed around with the 4BT engine in the Nissan but that engine is loud and not really suited to the average buyer in the midsized market. With the lack of Frontier announcements it does beg the question if Nissan has decided to concentrate on the Titan and trying to grow it rather then the Frontier.

 

Ram is making it? I didn't know that. I knew they negotiated for a while about rebadging the Ram as the next Titan but I didn't know that something came of it.

Dodge has a long history of rebadging and running with equipment for and from other manufacturers. Most of those situations turned out poor vehicles.

 

The deal with Chrysler helping Nissan build the new Titan was dropped a few years ago when Fiat bought Chrysler. That was a big reason that the Titan, Frontier and Xterra are all getting long in the tooth.
http://www.trucktrend.com/news/1501-2016-nissan-titan-xd-first-look/

 

That's what I thought.

It's a good thing in the end. A rebranded Ram isn't worth what Nissan would try to sell it for. I'm still curious to see the Titan XD when it comes out. A lot of guys around here in the patch bought pro 4x Titans when they first came out then traded them off almost immediately after they started having mechanical issues. If this Titan can hold up and has a diesel engine I can see a couple of rig pigs grabbing one.