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Father's and Mothers I need your help

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Mitch, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Mar 28, 2015 at 10:51 AM
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    Fightnfire

    Fightnfire Recklessly tired

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    Personally, not put kids in it at all. The front passenger seat is the most dangerous seat to sit in for anyone, not just a child.

    "First, the front passenger seat is the most dangerous seat in the car. There are many research studies out there that demonstrate that on average it is about 50% more dangerous to be in the front seat than in back"

    http://www.e-safetyforall.com/family_and_passengers/
     
  2. Jun 17, 2015 at 7:16 AM
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    Pineytaco

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    i have an 2011 access cab and am trying to find out how and if my access cab can fit a newborn seat in the rear please help, as this is my only vehicle.
     
  3. Jun 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM
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    vinko72

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    I install car seats at work a couple of times a week. Fronts seat placement is a huge no-no. The safest spot for a car seat, forward facing or rear facing is in the rear middle seat. The LATCH system is very good, however if your car is not outfitted for LATCH in the middle seat, then you should not use it, IE: using the inner most LATCH from both the pass rear and driver rear = unknown outcome. In most cases when using the middle rear you will be using the seatbelt, and stay away from devices that ratchet the seatbelt, they stretch the belt and can cause issues. The only approved device is a locking clip, which most car seats come with. Sometimes the middle is not feasible, like if both parents are tall and driver position would be compromised in the sake of safety. Then next most logical spot is the pass side rear. That's where I installed my own children's seats.
    Call your local Police Department traffic division, I'm sure they will have an installer that is trained or can direct you to someone that can! You can also checkout http://www.safekids.org/ , this is the organization that trained me and my colleagues. Any other questions PM me. Hope this helps.
     
  4. Jun 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM
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    Crom

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    Start reading here. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...om-with-a-rear-facing-infant-car-seat.245640/

    I'm sorry I can't help you. I only have experience with the double cab.
     
  5. Jun 17, 2015 at 1:11 PM
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    Fightnfire

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    I have a ton of experience with cart seats (FF EMT for several years, lots of hours of training classes and sessions also have two kids that I have been fitting into my access cab for 4 years, including infants.) For the life of me I can't understand or wrap my head around your infant rear facing seat configuration. By the nature of the seat in a violent rear end collision that seat is suppose to lift off of the base of the vehicle seat and go into what would be the back seat of the vehicle. The infant seat, combined with the back portion of the vehicle seat, should come together and create a cocoon to protect the child.

    It looks like in your case the infant would be slammed face first into the metal and glass.

    The seatbelt acts as a pivot point in the system I mention. I would guess you can grab the back of the infant seat near the head and with little to no force lift it off of the vehicle seat. Explained below, the cocoon effect is the basis for the configuration of most infant seats...

    "The first U.S. infant restraint, which is the model for subsequent ones, did not use a tether in either direction nor a shoulder belt, but it worked very well. During development, the engineers observed that it turned over toward the vehicle seatback after a crash test and, largely in order to justify what happened anyway, they called this the "cocoon effect." There was also some justifiable concern that the small infant's neck might be injured on rebound or rear-impact unless the restraint were allowed to freely rotate in this direction. Justified or not, this concept has remained and seems to make intuitive sense. The counter-argument that the infant's head will "slam" into the seatback and be injured on rebound has not been validated in nearly 30 years of accident experience."

    I would not place my child in that seat with that configuration.
     
  6. Jun 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM
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    Crom

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    Perhaps your right, Fightnfire. It was (3) years ago I did that, and I do take my safety, and the safety of my family quite seriously. I recall doing a lot of testing (wrestling it) and was quite satisfied with it. I wouldn't have done it otherwise. A simple solution to the pivot issue is to strap the end of the rear facing seat base to the 14 mm bolts of the seat bottom. Done correctly it will go nowhere. I didn't have to do that... Anyways, what I did was probably illegal. This is all academic for me at this point. my kid seat arrangement as seen in that thread is a glimpse into the past. My kids are forward facing in standard configurations, etc.

    Good luck to all and be safe! :thumbsup:
     

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