New England B.S. Thread

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Who IS working today ????

Pugga, last time you waited to scratch an "itch", did it not ad to your family

Down time can be tiring.....staring out onto to the Riva' is exhausting

 

Oh boy, what did I miss about 'scratching an itch'? And that may or may not be true... Little man #2 is almost here!

And, unfortunately I'm working today.

 

I have a week of "down time"; drive the wife crazy before she "jumps the Pacific" for 3 months.....

 

Ah. So you're gonna knock her up and send her packin'?

 

I just had a conversation (for lack of a better word) with an English woman today. Her husband wants to get his carry permit and she is not happy. Like most anti gun people's arguments she says "why do you need a gun" and "we need to make more gun laws". I told her the 2A doesn't say I need to have a need for a gun or a 20 round mag. I also said more laws won't work cause the bad guys don't care about laws. If something being illegal or unlawful would fix it we wouldn't have the heroin problem that we have. I then asked what the magic law would be that would fix eveything. Her reply was "no guns at all". She went onto explain how England didn't have any of our gun issues because they did it right.

 

That sounds like a terrible plan...

 

Exactly, you can always trust a criminal to be a criminal. I mean, look how well it's working out for Chicago...

 

I heard it's going real well for mayor Emmanuel...

 

No, sorry those "birthing" days are loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong gone.......She is going to China to help our daughter with her 1st child, leaves mid-July and stays till mid October................

I will be "stuck here" working ( I will "Jump" next time ,longer time off within 2 years ) and fishing

 

Shrug.
The UK has an overall lower murder rate than the US. However, their overall crime rate is much higher.
They also have a much lower and much less diverse population. They don't have the issue of large swaths of economically depressed, poorly educated regions populated by large percentages of minorities (traditionally the source of most of the US's gun violence). The socio-economic issues are what drives of most of the gun violence hotspots in the US. Even if you were to magically erase the availability of guns in those areas, they'd still be killing each other. Knives, bombs, blunt instruments, etc would be the weapons of choice instead of guns, is all.
Really the issue is WAY too complex to have a simple solution, but "gun control" is the most popular one among people who read the 'intentional homicide w/a firearm' statistic but don't bother looking at any of the other ones.

 

Noel that's a very insightful comment taking into consideration many levels of socioeconomic conditions as well as other possible scenarios in the absence of firearms. Kudos for a great comment!

 

I guess I was feeling insightful.
Must have been good coffee.

I may also have had the same discussion as Billy once or twice before. Not necessarily with someone from GB, but with someone from the US who read the murder rate statistics between the US and GB in a post-mass shooting story attacking/deriding 2A rights and decided that we need to make like GB and ban pretty much everything, without taking into account the other differences between the two countries, or the historical links between diversity, poverty, and crime.
As a pretty vocal proponent of 2A rights, I've heard the story about the UK vs the US in terms of gun laws and murders a lot, so I've done a fair bit of reading on the subject because (when I can) I like to debate/discuss with a solid knowledge base rather than trying to wing it.

 

Instead of more laws, how about enforcing and closing loopholes we currently have? Such as the gun show loophole.

Generally I think less government is better

 

The Gun Show Loophole is a misnomer.
If somebody buys a firearm from a dealer, they have to have a background check done through the federal NICS system, same as if they were buying it in the dealer's store. The only transactions at a gun show that are exempt from a background check are the ones that are done between private sellers (in states where it's legal to do so), and they wouldn't have been required to perform a check if the sale was made outside of a gun show anyway.

It's a moot point until the fix the problems with the NICS system anyway. According to the recent news reports, that kid that just shot up the church bought his gun from a shop, after passing a federal background check that was run through the NICS system. Despite a prior felony charge, he was still able to complete the purchase, because the system hadn't been updated in the 2+ months since he was charged. Never should have happened, but it did because of the shortcomings of the NICS system.

Just as disturbing is the ridiculously low number of prosecutions of people that are denied when they get their backgrounds checked. If they're prohibited from buying a gun, and they get denied, why aren't they being prosecuted for trying to purchase a firearm when they're not allowed to own one?

Baffling.
I agree, though. Start enforcing the laws that are already on the books (and enforcing them effectively). Then step back and look at the results, and see if we need to start pushing more restrictions through.

 

Nah I'm good thanks lol. Just found out today that my helmet is going to be 3-4 weeks

 

I can agree with 2/3's of this. Enforcing the laws on the books would be great, but there is no "gun show loophole" and if you believe there is I'll make the same deal with you I make with everyone else. Come to a gun show with me, if you can buy a gun without a license or background check I will sell my truck and give you the money, if you can't, you give me the money to buy whatever rifle I want

And yes, we need a MUCH smaller government.

 

I'm not too up on the gun laws as I've never owned or tried to.

My understanding is at some point that buying at a gun show could bypass in part or whole a background check. Perhaps that is very outdated or wrong. Please advise.

 

I started a spreadsheet to tally up the costs to get my truck where I want it. I now have no doubt that my dreams of replacing the bed with a baja-style chase truck bed have disintegrated. But, with the savings of not doing that project I should be able to hack up the rear panels and go for a high-clearance rear bumper.

If I ever find a moment I'll adjust my build thread as well.

 

In some states (such as mine) you can purchase firearms in a private sale without going through a background check. However, federal law requires that any gun purchased from a dealer requires a background check through the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) system.
So, if you go to a gun show and buy a gun from a dealer's stock, they have to perform a background check, same as if they were at their shop. However, many gun shows will allow private sellers to set up a booth as well, and if you buy a gun from them you don't need to have a background check done (because it's a private sale).
If your state doesn't allow private sales to take place without a background check, being at a gun show doesn't negate that requirement. You still need to have a NICS check done.

It's a bit of misleading depiction from the Brady Campaign (and now numerous other anti-gun groups) that has allowed to 'Gun Show Loophole' myth to gain any traction, because a lot of people who spout the term have never bought a gun at a show (or at all, probably) and don't understand how it actually works. The Brady Bunch put out ads saying that "ANYBODY can buy a gun at a gun show, without a background check!!!" without mentioning that:
A) Your state has to allow private sales of firearms
B) You have to purchase your gun from a private seller and not a dealer.
C) Private sales have to be allowed to occur at that show without a background check (lots of gun shows actually require private sellers to perform a NICS check too)
D) Your transaction, having met the above requirements, is the same as purchasing the gun from a private seller OUTSIDE of a gun show would be.

But, to people who aren't familiar with the process of buying a gun, the term "Gun Show Loophole" sounds ominous, dangerous, and reckless. So the age-old political trick of spinning a half-truth to an ignorant audience comes into play.




Also, good morning all.


Edit: In the interests of full disclosure, I've bought....several.... guns through private sales, and at gun shows. I'm pro 2A, and I'm a member of the NRA, so I do have something of a bias.