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235 85 16?

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by CamoNBlaze, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. Jul 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM
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    Yes they are going to be my winters.
    Got them used this summer cheap.
    Have not ran them yet but have heard good things.
     
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  2. Jul 18, 2015 at 11:01 AM
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    image.jpg image.jpg So I just went out and put them on the truck. They are dirty!
     
  3. Jul 18, 2015 at 12:05 PM
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    They look good though!
     
  4. Jul 18, 2015 at 1:53 PM
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    Thanks!
    I love my bronze trd wheels but the old school stuff is more my fancy. Raised white letters BFG and shiny wheels.
    So I went out to see how they were, being used an all.
    Loud as hell the previous owner didn't rotate well and I'm gonna try to wear them in. I don't believe them to be that loud with proper tread wear.
    Much better traction than my KO's. My 4 banger can barely turn them over but can spin the KO's easy.
    Duratracs are 6 ply I believe and the KO's are 10 ply with a harder rubber compound. Spin very easy on bare pavement in cold temps.
    At one time or maybe still the KO's were gonna lose the snowflake symbol.
    Feeling pretty good about the duratracs for this winter.
     
  5. Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM
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    235/85r16 will not rub. I had both Cooper ATW's and Blizzak W965's in that size on my tacoma pre-lift. No problems.

    I vote for Michelin MS2's, then Cooper AT3's.
     
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  6. Jul 18, 2015 at 2:20 PM
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    What'd you think of the size in general? I figured the small width and rolling resistance would help make up for them weighing a bit more than what I've got now. My 4 cylinder is a turtle and I'd hate to lose any more power so I figured this size would be a solid compromise.
     
  7. Jul 18, 2015 at 3:05 PM
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    Love the size for winter. Take a page out of the old school military trucks. Narrow tire tracks better off road and more pounds per square inch of contact digs in better. Only time wide tires are better off road is when the terrain is too deep and you need to float (like sand or bottomless mud). In winter they cut through the built up slush between lanes and in untraveled stuff. No more hydroplaning.

    If all you want is light tires that will give you 32" diameter play with some different models sizes and load ranges on tirerack because 2 tires in the same size and load rating can vary by 10 pounds. If you go 235/85r16 I am pretty sure you're stuck with 10 ply (which is what I have and have no complaints). You may find the 265/75r16 in C rating is actually lighter than the 235/85r16 in E rating.

    My LT235/85r16E Cooper A/TW are very nice tires. Quiet, light, great winter traction but can run all year round even in hot climates and has a mileage warranty.
     
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  8. Jul 18, 2015 at 3:25 PM
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    Funny you mention that, I kept seeing the 10 ply everywhere I was looking for the Coopers - answers that question. Dunno if there's any way to answer this without a full on research experiment, but would a slightly heavier 235/85 E-rated tire perform better then a lighter 265/75 C-rated tire in terms of the mileage and acceleration? Rolling resistance would be the variable in question and I don't know how much that impacts mileage or acceleration compared to weight.
     
  9. Jul 18, 2015 at 3:40 PM
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    Stop and go driving will be more affected by heavier tires. On the Hwy you would see more benefit from the narrow tires even if they are heavier. The 2 probably cancel each other out.

    Pick the tire you want then pick the size based on load ratings available and weight. I would take a Michelin MS2 in 10 ply even though I would prefer a 6 ply, because its such a great tire.

    If you are worried about mpg but want a great tire, get the Michelin ms2 in 235/85r16 and 10 ply. They're amazing tires. great traction in everything, low rolling resistance, last forever.

    If you want to save a few bucks, or want something that looks more aggressive, get Coopers. Great tire for the price. Get either 265/75 in 6 ply or 235/85 in 10 ply. Whichever is lighter.
     
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  10. Jul 18, 2015 at 3:45 PM
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    I seriously appreciate the insight, exactly what I was after. I've heard fantastic things about the Michelin and couldn't give a damn less about aggressive looks. Gonna do a bit of digging and will hopefully have some new rubber in 235/85 in the next few weeks.

    Thanks again
     
  11. Jul 18, 2015 at 4:10 PM
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    I've been running the General Grabber AT2 in the 235 85 R16 on my 1st gen for years. I got a set for my 2015 DCSB the week after I bought it. No rubbing yet on the 2nd gen, though they do rub at full stuff with the wheels turned on the 1st gen. I can't speak too much about how they are on the 2nd gen since I haven't really had a chance to put many miles on it, but here's my experience on the 1st gen.

    Originally I had the Grabber AT2 in the 265 75 R16 size. I had no complaints other than rubbing on the pinch weld and frame at full lock when the suspension compressed. I got close to 60k miles on the set of tires before they hit about 50% of their original tread depth. I sold the 265 75 and went with a replacement of the same tire in 235 85 R16. I immediately noticed a difference. The truck felt a lot easier to steer on and off pavement. Not twitchy, just less steering input needed. They're great for the kind of driving that I do, summer and winter living in the Pacific Northwest. I've got about 20k miles on them and everything is looking good. I should have no problem getting another 40k or more. The set on my 2nd gen has about 1000 miles on them and I've got no complaints there. They're also made in the USA.
     
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  12. Jul 29, 2015 at 4:38 PM
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    So the duratracs look cool but suck the power out of my 2.7 manual 5 speed. Glad I am not auto with these.
    They are 10ply 265/75/16,
    I'm lucky to get out of my own way and lost about 4-5 mpg from the KO's. I have them at 40psi now, like pushing balloons at 34psi.
    Hope they work this winter!
    I may have to look into just a dedicated snow tire instead.
     
  13. Jul 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM
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    They have very weak sidewalls. Out here in AZ they puncture all the time in the desert. They are one of the last tires I would put on my Tacoma along with KO2's due to their weight, too heavy for a Tacoma.
     
  14. Jul 29, 2015 at 6:43 PM
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    Ok, not to thread jack or anything buy I have a question. I see a lot of Tacoma guys running this size tire. Whats the advantage of it?
     
  15. Jul 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM
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    Tall and narrow tires can cut through snow and mud easier to find traction in certain situations. You get a full size tire appearance which could be lighter and have less rolling resistance than a comparable 265/75 tire which would benefit 4cyl trucks which don't have much power to begin with.
     
  16. Jul 30, 2015 at 4:28 PM
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    For the look of it.
    I'd do the 235s next time.
    No idea as to what make etc anymore.
     
  17. Aug 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM
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    This will explain everything about why narrow tires will in general perform better than wider tires:

    http://www.expeditionswest.com/research/white_papers/tire_selection_rev1.html

    I have Cooper ST Maxx 235/85-16 on my stock V6 DCSB 4x4. I have not noticed any detrimental effect on mileage. If you are looking for year round all terrain tires that will work in the snow you should consider the Cooper ATW. It is also a severe weather rated tire with the mountain snowflake symbol. It doesn't look especially aggressive, but it sounds like you're looking for function over form.
     
  18. Aug 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM
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    I was thinking of purchasing this size tire to run all year around due to the whole TPMS hassle. Will this size tire fit on a 7.5" wide wheel?

    On a side note, has anyone mounted this width tire on the TRD Beadlocks? I was just quoted $934.20 (with 10% discount) for a set of the bronze wheels and would really like to see how this set-up would look before pulling the trigger. Bonus points for pictures!
     
  19. Aug 14, 2015 at 11:34 AM
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    Well folks - I pulled the trigger on Cooper AT3 in 235/85 as I type this. Will have pictures and initial thoughts up here in the next few hours. Wound up getting a deal I couldn't turn down.
     
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    How much did you end up paying?
     

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