Look out toyota.

LOL

 

Sorry bud, I have to disagree because you are wrong and misleading, but the fatigue life cycle of aluminum is much different than for steel and titanium, aluminum ages at every flex, steel has a fatigue limit and as long as it stays under that limit it has an infinite life cycle. Aluminum has no limit, it is aging at every flex. I noticed that you're trying to defend Ford with everything you say and make up. It's funny that you're even trying to say the real reason Boing did something is different than the reason they gave. Do you even understand how that sounds? Boeing isn't making up reasons for the materials they use, they clearly stated the reasons. Did you not read SCC in that article? That's Stress Corrosion Cracking it's a real thing with aluminum and one of the many reasons aluminum is a poor compromise at best. The defender isn't corrosion free, 18 wheelers like peterbuilts also have major problems with aluminum corrosion to include broken frame rails and corroded cabs. The magnesium chloride that's used on roads in the winter eats aluminum. You made some claims that are 100% false so yes I'm going to speak up. Why do you think the floor structures in aircraft are breaking? Hello aluminum has no fatigue limit, it's going to break. It's such a big problem that aluminum doesn't even make up half of the airframe anymore. You're making statements on marketing crap and probably other things you've read that you clearly don't understand. You don't need to educate me or anyone else on things you clearly have no clue about.
So next time you want to try to educate me on galvanic corrosion do yourself a favor and read a bit more. I'll give you some clues. You can start with an anode and cathode. Which one is aluminum in the presence of ferrous metals and chlorides (road salt)? You see you don't even need dissimilar metal contact in the way you think of metals. Aluminum is almost always the material that will get induced corrosion. Go ahead and take a look at those defenders again and tell me how nice that Ford will look with no corrosion on it.

 

Beer comes in aluminum and its stronger than glass, so there's that.

 

And this is exactly why Toyota isn't doing diesel yet, they are saying it doesn't make financial sense for them atm.

 

Wow, that says a lot about your credibility...

 

All metals have a fatigue cycle. Steel doesn't get away for free from fatigue like you suggest. Aluminum is a more flexible alloy that's all .

Actually the more brittle a metal, like steel, the more susceptible it is to forming cracks. The biggest difference is that these cracks, on a pressurized aircraft, tend to propagate faster though softer aluminum. Hence it's lower fatigue cycle.

Are you saying boeing tells us everything they do is just for the betterment of society and not to save money or grow their business. Carbon fiber and other composites actually weigh less per lbs than aluminum for the same tensile strength. That is the one and only reason boeing is putting it on aircraft. Lighter equals less fuel which airlines want which equals sales. Hey genius, you know the problem with composites:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12951-composite-aircraft-may-hide-dangerous-flaws/


There's thousands of articles showing how brittle carbon fiber is. If there is even a tiny flaw, it can go undetected until it rips apart during pressurization or structural loading. Boeing only started using them in the last twenty years and much of the real world reactions of the composites they are using are still unknown. One day they will be but right now they are in their adolescence. I'm sure boeing is taking every precaution, but the properties of carbon fiber like materials and it's rigidity make it unsuitable for widespread automotive use. I would do great for a few body panels, but it can't be used for things like support structures or impact areas because it has such a small compression before it shatters when it's used in thicker support structures. Simply put, composites are too brittle for the amount of tensile strength you get to be used as structural support in a vehicle for normal everyday use.

Dude, aluminum does form a protective layer over itself, but you are right that road salt corrodes it. That's galvanic corrosion, which I already mentioned happens to ANY metal that forms a complete circuit/galvanic battery. However, look at horse trailers. I've seen aluminum horse trailers goes 15-20 years with no problems from corrosion. I've seen steel go less than half that on our roads. Give aluminum a clear coat of protection and prevent it from becoming the anode in a galvanic circuit and it won't corrode rapidly that way. Will it still corrode eventually? YES! Still not as fast as steel with flakely rust though.

As for me defending Ford there is no need. At least they impress and push forward with innovations on their pickups. Can you honestly say that about Toyota? No. I love my Tacoma but I'm not blind enough to see that even the 3rd gen is barely keeping up with the competition. The Ford has Aluminum panels bonded to a steel frame, just fyi. So while it may corrode, and magically faster in your world, the fact that it's paint and the steel frame is almost completely (something like 75%) high tensile steel should ease your worries about comparing it to a thin aircraft skin

Now start working on post number 9. I'm sure everyone here thinks your such a genius . Not sure why you think I'm an idiot but I'm not. I appreciate you trying to share your experience but you are obviously missing a significant amount of education as well as real world experience with trucks. I do dabble in material science for work and a friend of mine is a higher up in DuPont. I'm also an aircraft hobbyist and I followed the dreamliner/787 development closely. Whatever military grunt position you have, you are missing the science of what you are seeing. I never was here to debate the Aluminum doesn't corrode from galvanic corrosion. However, when isolated from steel and other metals by non conducting adhesive and paint galvanic corrosion will not be a problem since it cannot for an anode in those conditions. A bare aluminum frame can, but that is not what we are talking about in a Ford.

 

Oh.

 

Well new Prius appearance has leaked for those upset with Tacoma MPG http://wot.motortrend.com/1508_spie...=10153182061921312&adbpl=fb&adbpr=18332466311

 

I haven't heard of one legitimate claim of anyone getting $5k off of either of the GM twins. Most were in the $1k to $2k, maybe $3k range.

What did? I'm sorry, I'm not a fanboy like some of you on here. I have zero brand loyalty, and that was my perception. And guess what? That's what nearly every professional review of the Colorado and Canyon have said as well, that their interiors are a huge upgrade over the outdated Tacoma and Frontier.

 

I agree with you. @BlueT was saying his local dealer could get him a Diesel Colorado for $30K. By my math, and no spec sheets are out just announcements from GM, that would be about $5K off.

 

Ha, since when have you taken anything BlueT has said with more than a grain of salt?

 

Touche. .

 

The Mirai disease is spreading

 

Chevy is up there with Mercedes.

 

The do it in the US too.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ea/97/3b/ea973b70991818724f7675d43745863d.jpg

and its not just the tacoma


http://clients.dealeronlinemarketin.../15-Content-Pages/RICE-1295/images/Promo1.jpg

 

So either you want a Tacoma or Prius? There are no other choices.... There is nothing Toyota could have done for their loyal customers to bump up the mpg a little higher than it is?

I have to say I'm like Jayhawk, zero brand loyalty. There are some I will avoid with a 10 foot pole, and others I will consider. When I choose, it comes down to the best package for my needs taking into consideration reliability, ride and handling, safety, mpg and a whole host of other factors.

I don't see a Tacoma and instantly get a hard on just because it's a Tacoma.

 

"You keep comparing GM to Toyota quality, I don't think it's as comparable as you do"

 

I agree one should check out all options available at the time. A person should choose the vehicle that best fits. It will be interesting to see what is posted here about the Tacoma once people have a chance to purchase one and drive it.

Looking at the Colorado/Canyon forums there seems to be some issues with the vehicles. I did get to test drive a Colorado Z71. The hood flutter was definitively present at highway speeds as well as the high rev rough shifting drive train.

In fairness, I will have to drive the Tacoma to do a comparison. Other than a diesel (which I don't want) I haven't heard of anything new in the Nissan Frontier line. It is definitely an aged vehicle.

It is interesting how many have posted negative things about the Tacoma without even test driving one.

 

Good post. I can only speak to the negative things I've said about the 3rd gen and those were based upon the data ( e.g. mpg) and lies (e.g. seat belt bracket comments from chief engineer) provided by Toyota. I try not to speculate.

The test drive is where the rubber meets the road. What these YouTube reviewers say (e.g. TFLTruck) say in these early "reviews" is pretty much meaningless as they always say the vehicle is a huge improvement over the old one (just like they said with the GM twins). There was already a couple of early reviewers who said the new Tacoma is an improvement over the old one in handling, ride and noise but its not a huge one.

Give it 6 months to a year before the truth comes out regarding the 3rd gen and even then take it for an extended test drive before deciding.