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2016 Taco at Car Show with rust??

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Friggin Fuego, Nov 26, 2015.

  1. Nov 27, 2015 at 4:01 PM
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    mxwrench

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    Anything to bash the Gen 3. We get it. Really. You don't want one, big deal. Then don't buy one. No one here cares whether you buy one or not. But why waste your time trolling and trying to mess up our Tacoma experience? I really enjoy my new Tacoma. It's my 5th. Since 1984 (ok, they weren't Tacomas back then but you get the point). You guys sounding the alarm, throwing up red flags at every little thing trying to discredit the Gen 3 is getting very tiring.

    Maybe it's because you cant have one and are jealous. Maybe it's due to your shitty credit. Maybe you just don't like the truck. Maybe you'd rather wait till next year. In any case, I really don't think any of us that have bought one of these awesome trucks could give a rats ass!
     
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  2. Nov 27, 2015 at 4:27 PM
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    Trolling? I took photos of my concerns about the Taco I saw at the show since I knew the 2nd gens had a history of rust and posted it on here to see if anyone had anything similar or an answer to it. I've wanted a Taco since a couple of years ago and opted to wait for the "redesign" to see if anything better would come up since I'm in the market for a pick-up.

    Maybe I'm being a little harsh comparing the build quality to my Land Cruiser, you know, since my shitty credit can't get me one. But we all desire what these trucks are know for: Reliabilty and Durabilty.
     
  3. Nov 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM
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    Don't worry Fuego, mxwrench is a typical 3rd Gen fanboy who's ego is so threatened that even bringing up a concern like you did (with photos) about a 2016 or "his truck" brings a negative and expected reaction.

    You can tell from his response. Its like its from a 16 year old girl who you just said something she perceived to be negative about her Sweet 16 dress.

    Have a good weekend man!
     
  4. Nov 27, 2015 at 5:02 PM
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    My BS meter just went skyward. Sorry but unless you never drove on a gravel road in your entire life what you are saying is just not true. Even city driving in the winter where they sand the roads would be enough to wear into the underside of well protected frames and undercarriage. In the 43 years I lived in Alberta and the 27 years I drove vehicles there I can say with certainty that every vehicle I owned had some rust of the underside of the vehicle. Early Toyotas didn't just rust the undercarriage but the body of the vehicles just slowly disappeared but then you may not have been driving in the early 70's.
     
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  5. Nov 27, 2015 at 5:06 PM
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    to be fair you guys have less rust issues in alberta because of the sanding.

    at least the sand doesn't eat the frame like salt does.
     
  6. Nov 27, 2015 at 5:17 PM
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    They salt the city roads along with the roads similar to what the city does here. It is nothing like back East. I lived in Peterborough for 10 years and the first winter was my first experience with how they salt roads there. It was unbelievable the amount they use but to fair Peterborough gets more temperatures within the bands of when salt works than I experienced in Alberta.
     
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  7. Nov 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM
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    I haven't done a ton of driving on gravel roads. Maybe once a month on average. To clarify, while my cars had some corrosion none of them had anything like you could find by clicking the link below which is a simple google image search on Tacoma 2nd gen frame rust.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=toyo...6#tbm=isch&q=toyota+tacoma+2nd+gen+frame+rust

    My truck has some potions of the frame that are starting to look like the photos (in google image search) after 6 years. I wash the undercarriage of the truck in VERY REGULARLY especially in winter and this is already starting to happen. I've already had to get the rear bumper replaced due to rust showing on it. All on a truck that is 6 years old and just hit 70,000 kms.
     
  8. Nov 27, 2015 at 7:24 PM
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    Now that I can believe. A problem I ran into is sometimes, particularly in winter that washing the undercarriage led to more problems as opposed to just leaving the crap on the vehicle until spring. Washing the salt into places that would be hard to get out just led to more corrosion than would have been the case had it remained where it was. Some of the salt falls off during the winter cycle anyway. Once the warm weather hit I then gave the undercarriage a good cleaning. I had a 1974 GMC 1/2ron that started to show rust in about year 8. It had very few miles on the truck but time is the element when it comes to rust. I have to say my 1991, while it had rust on the frame even one I bought it, the body remained, on the surface, quite well up until about a year ago and then, it was to late. The fender well and back bumper were the first to have rust perforation and then the leading edges of the bottom of the doors. I suspect the rust had a running start...I just didn't see it. When I let it go this PM she was a tired old girl. She will make a young kid a good old bush truck. I understand a local mechanic wants to do a rebuild with his son.

    The '16 is quite a step up. I have two manuals to try to understand and figure out. I suspect a lot of the audio will wait until my son gets his techy hands on the truck next July. Studying up on how to program the door opener.:cool: I do have a lot of catching up to do!

    Take Care

    Bob
     
  9. Nov 27, 2015 at 8:59 PM
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    These kind of threads are funny. Full of Internet tough guys.
     
  10. Nov 27, 2015 at 9:26 PM
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    Nothing for us to worry about. As residents of Southern California, the least of our worries is rusted Tacoma frames. Drove an 87 Toyota Pickup for 14 years without one issue of rust to worry about. The guys back East or Midwest that see salt on the road 3-6 months out of the year will need to do preventative maintenance and keep a close eye.
     
  11. Nov 28, 2015 at 12:30 AM
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    Good... I was thinking that would be the case..
     
  12. Nov 28, 2015 at 5:54 AM
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    Ah don't bring reality to the thread for heavens sake. I was beginning to think Toyota had left the California market.;)
     
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  13. Nov 28, 2015 at 6:42 AM
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    This is what I was thinking... why not just rust proof the truck as the first thing you do when you buy it... I would even go as far as removing the bed to get to all areas of the frame with ease. Good rust proofing and then oil the thing every so often. Some good preventive maintenance would go a long way. Really...knowing this is an area of concern, just do something to prevent it when you buy it... and do it as soon as you get it, when the truck is all nice a clean everywhere...

    I do hope Toyota improves this longer term... maybe now that the competition is back (GM, the news on Ford bringing back a mid-size, New Nissan Frontier??) they will do something for the 4th Gen.
     
  14. Nov 28, 2015 at 6:47 AM
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    It isn't rocket science to tell the difference if you are there and can get a finger nail or pen knife blade on it. The owners migh not like the idea of some one scraping the frames of thier cars but at least in person, you can tell. With a picture, it's not easy.
     
  15. Nov 28, 2015 at 6:52 AM
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    Rust proofing ? No such thing if you have a metal frame and don't want to pay more then the truck is worth to you. Paint does not work as any scratch will just allow salt water to migrate. The manufacturer is not going to oil it, as it is temporary. Rust proof coatings at the factory Don!'t work in the weld areas. So, the only thing left is, it's up to the owner. We have get off out fat lazy asteroids once a year and do it......or move to So Calif. and places it becomes little to no concern.
     
  16. Nov 28, 2015 at 6:55 AM
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    That is what I meant... for the owner to do it as soon as he/she got the truck. Peace of mind knowing that everything is nicely coated with something like POR15 (with a coat of UV protection) or a similar product...
     
  17. Nov 28, 2015 at 6:55 AM
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    I don't have to look any further than my truck. But ok....:notsure:
     
  18. Nov 28, 2015 at 7:26 AM
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    The steel quality and alloy makes a HUGE difference in how fast steel rusts. Any coatings just cuts the steels exposure to moisture and oxygen, without which, rust doesn't really happen at a rate that makes any big deal. A bare mild steel frame in Arizona will last pretty much forever, a treated frame someplace that uses brine solution will look like the Titanic in just a season or two. As temps rise, so too does the speed of corrosion when paired with moisture and salt. If temps remained at -20F all winter, all the salt in the world won't do much damage in a few years, let the same salt/moisture conditions be paired with temps in the 40s and higher and serious rust can occur in an incredibly short time.

    Low quality mild steel paired with cheapo paint is a recipe for corrosion disaster. That is why you can see a Taco with a perfect condition body with a frame that looks like swiss cheese. The body used better steels, better metal coatings and better paint and the frame, well, it seems to be an afterthought for some reason.
     
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  19. Nov 28, 2015 at 7:37 AM
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    Exactly. Though stainless frames are cost prohibitive, just a couple more percent of Chrominum would make a world of difference; but let's face it. Rust is a car maker's friend and the only reason to see any attempt at mitigating it on any scale, is mandates. Even then, the mandates are attempts at limiting the free market's ability to produce a rust free truck for little or nothing. Mandates just equalize the playing field so all the car makers can screw the customers in the same 6 year period.

    Toyota has no interest in me keeping my truck for 20 rust free years in the rust belt. The advantage is, the turnover of Toyotas is great enough in the rust belt, we get more options that last half as long.
    :burnrubber:
     
  20. Nov 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM
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