Long Travel BS Thread

well clearly my bumpers weren't made for fiberglass in that pic, it was simply for reference, and no it doesn't look the best but I think your missing the point of that photo and I think you underestimate how durable fiberglass is. No way they would "explode" ...unlike steel fiberglass does have some give to it and the corners of any fender are going to be the strongest thickest point.

I dont think I ever called a +2 kit "useless" but it is a waste. Dont get me wrong tho, If you're looking for a cool "stance" to your truck to pull all those Grade A ladies out at Ocotillo and have some cash to burn, by all means throw a +2 kit on. Otherwise you can build an equally capable truck without fiberglass using OEM width replacements and a nice coilover. And as some have shown probably still fit those 35s.

 

"Been there and done that" vs. lack of experience yet stubborn...

deja vu much?

 

Hey thanks for the write ups on c4 fab. Getting one of their 3 Ton jack skids.

 

What exactly is the disadvantage of a 2" kit when compared to stock length ?

Nobody with a +2 kit even raised the width issue, blackdog pulled that out and SDHQ added to it.

This is not the same as the cantilever crap, nobody asked for advice and then ignored it. This is just the usual " let's all make fun of +2 guys because they're not as hardcore as us "

 

lets get one thing straight here bud, I'm not SDHQ. They have their own account. My name is cliff, nice to meet you.

 

Or just simply don't like the look or the installation or the longevity of fiberglass. Maybe in Arizona it's different, where the trails are more wide open and go fast

 

I shouldve clarified, with 285/70 tire size, Im sure you would still need glass but you I've seen a few members who just do major trimming. 35's on our trucks require a shit ton of trimming even with glass

 

you clearly haven't wheeled in Arizona then... but I've wheeled Ouray, Telluride and Durango enough times to know that its not that tight...

285/70 things change a bit, they would absolutely fit better but I would still probably say your money would be better spent else where on the vehicle and sticking with a nice stock width suspension would allow you to do things like nicer gears, lockers, secondaries, etc etc as opposed to a +2 kit.

 

I never said 2" had a disadvantage when compared to stock length, I compared to an average 3.5" kit. Of course a 2" kit is going to be a step up, but is it a worthwhile step? That's worth the time, money and effort?

2" kits are like religion; it might work for you, but you don't need to go shoving it down everyones throats, and argue with anything to the contrary. because it's really just bullshit... and facts show the truth

 

My +2 kit looks tits at the mall. But I didn't get the race kit so sometimes I get hung up trying to flex over the curbs.
So yeah I agree. Worthless. #StanceMakeErDance

 

Maybe everyone should be nicer.... Gabe is very very upset hahaha

 

Not worthless, just like everything else in the world it has it's place, but all people are saying is to really consider whether or not it's a good fit for you. Blang went harder than most people ever have with midtravel in the front, it doesn't matter what you have as long as it's a good fit for you and you have fun. But it's worth considering that you might save someone a lot of money if they skip that particular stepping stone...

 

Well, you had SDHQ on your avatar until a few minutes ago.

I owe you an apology I misquoted you - you did not say useless, you said " waste of time " and " glorified mid travel "....just some good bashing of other people's stuff.

I've never been to Ocotillo or anywhere similiar and my wife probably wouldn't appreciate me trying to pull chicks out there. You seem to assume I am some wannabe desert racer ? I use my truck for travel and camping in mainland and Baja, well it's my daily driver too. We like to surf and have been exploring Mexico for 25+ yrs, many of our favorite surf spots are hundreds of miles on dirt to reach so some above average performance is nice to have for all of the dirt roads and beach driving.

I had a stock length MT set up but wanted a few more inches of travel specifically without going wide enough to need glass and for my truck and my circumstances a +2 kit was the right fit.

You're not giving advice from " been there done that " experience you're just bashing other people's stuff, or not realizing that there are people that don't want the same type of truck as you or use it for the same things that you do ? What is the point in putting down anything that someone else has ? My truck, my use, I like it.

 

First, I never shoved anything down anyone's throat. I am not arguing that a +2 kit is they way to go, hell I never raised the topic. I'm sitting here watching tv perfectly stoked with my truck but for some reason I need to be told it is a waste of time, money and effort, glorified mid travel etc... did I miss anything ? I didn't start this shit I am just defending my stuff and trying to point out that I use my shit differently.

It is not a matter of wisdom or off road experience and you all seem to be assuming that I use my truck like you use yours to play in the desert. If I did...fuck you would be dead right why the hell wouldn't I slap some cool looking glass and a wider kit on it and go tear the shit out of some whoops...BUT I never have any intention of driving my truck like you do, never been to Ocotillo or Superstiton etc and don't plan too ( especially now since apparently there will just be a bunch of guys pointing and laughing at my small kit )

My truck is just for camping and making horribly long boring dirt roads in Mexico a bit more enjoyable than OE. As I explained to Cliff, I had a MT kit and just wanted bit more travel specifically without needing glass so a +2 for me was the way to go...bit more travel - check, no glass needed - check. It works great, it's not worthless and it is exactly what I wanted so why should I let people talk shit about it ?

 

Some good points have been made about the +2 kits. They're definitely not the best, but they're not inadequate either. I went from an eibach/billy lift so I'm pretty damn happy.

On another note, my front definitely out performs the Chevy 63s in the rear. The amount of uptravel I lost with the shock relocation and 12s is frustrating.

I really like the idea of a 3 link, now I'd like to hear some recommendations from people about different trailing arms. Please and thanks.

 

Just my 2 cents:

When i got my first pickup 3 years ago, it had cut and extended lower arms with balljoint uppers and lowers.
I spent money on longer shackles made of 1/4" plate and square tubes to get more up travel in the rear, my 3 leaf pack was flatter than your gf's chest. To put it in perspective, I was living off of a few hundred dollars a month. Total waste.
I defended the move because I was on a budget, and it was fine for what I was doing with it. I felt like people were being assholes because I couldn't afford to do what they did. I was defensive.
Then I broke a leaf pack like everyone said, had steering issues like everyone else said, etc etc.

When I sold the truck it had a TC full uniball kit up front, king kong steering, deaver pack in the rear with 16" external resis, and all the other shit you read about on here all the time. And for the first time, that truck actually worked like it should, and I had just done what I was told. It cost me a lot of money, and more importantly, a lot of time, learning that lesson.

I decided to try again. I bought a welder. I shut up and read everything I could. I asked questions, took advice. I let someone else figure it out the hard way, instead of wasting all that time and money like I did on the first truck, and learned from them. Got critiqued, caught stuff on fire. Put my own twist on stuff, but learned the basics by just being open.

Now I can weld, build stuff, fix stuff, and figure stuff out pretty well. My truck is decent for the budget and I've learned a ton. Almost all of that is thanks to people I've met through this forum. There is always new stuff to learn on here. Some of the regulars do and build awesome shit weekly. People are always willing to give advice and help others get better. Always room to improve.

I know no one cares about any of that, but I think a lot of the people who come off as a dick have spent years learning the hard way for something you've been pondering for hours, and are probably trying to just save you the time.

Moral of the story is it's easy to come off as an asshole online, but 99% of the regulars on here are awesome people in real life who are always willing to share their knowledge in order to perpetuate this logically retarded sport/hobby/passion/whatever. It's easy to get defensive when you feel like you're getting attacked. It's hard to pick up on cues when it's through text. Try not to take it personally when they try to help... because they have no reason to bash your shit, theirs is probably a lot cooler than ours anyways.

Most importantly though:
Keep in mind that this is the "Long travel bs thread"... You're walking into a titty bar and complaining that there's naked girls, what the fuck were you expecting?

 

So what you're saying is I'm screwed lol I'm running KMC Enduros with 4.75" BS and I just picked up a set of Toyo MT 35" tires which I am yet to install. Running same Camburg kit as you up front but with SAWs. I'm going to solid mount my lowers and rebuild the uppers with heims to try and push the wheelbase as forward as possible while maintaining good caster and camber since it likes to wonder a lot right now.

 

Question, How much clearancing will be needed running Camburg 3.5+ kit, 4.0 BS rims and 35s. Cab mount is chopped and will have fiberglass fenders. Should I start massaging my inner fender now, or what?