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New to suspension and lift kits

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Afu, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Feb 9, 2016 at 8:24 PM
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    Afu

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  2. Feb 9, 2016 at 8:33 PM
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    scocar

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    If you read the link you posted, it says 2.5 in the front, 0 in the back.

    The short answer is no.

    That tells me you have no idea what you are doing. So do some homework. There is a lot of information on this site that we have all spent a long time compiling on this topic. We hope you find it helpful.

    Start here:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-lift-faq-guide-read-this.11282/

    Toku58 said:
    First Of all let me go over some basic terminology for truck.

    Coilover: A coilover refers to the front coil spring and shock assembly. They are built as one unit, unlike a spring and shock suspension which are 2 seperate parts.

    Shock: A shock is an oil or gas filled piston unit that when installed are designed to resists quick or shocking movement.


    UCA: Are the Upper Control Arms of your front IFS (Independent front suspension) Mainly responsible for the vertical alignment of the front spindles. (For the most part it is non- load bearing)

    LCA: Are the Lower Control Arms of the front IFS. This is the part that will see most of the load in you front suspension. It works in unison with the UCA.

    Add-A-Leaf Or commonly referred to as AAL's! these are additional springs that are excessively arched to provide additional lift or support to the rear of our trucks. (They maybe used in the front of some vehicles but NOT ours!)


    Leaf Pack: Leaf packs are just that a replacement "set" of leaf springs designed to have a better spring rate, and in some cases add lift or additional load capacity.

    Alignment I'm sure everyone has heard of alignment. Every car or turk need their alignment check periodically. Alignment is very important in determining the performance characteristics of a vehicle.

    Caster: is the angle that your front tire are tilted in relation to the steering axis!

    Camber: Camber is the angle that you tires are in relation to the vertical axis when viewed from the front of the vehicle.

    Toe: Toe is the angle at which your front tire turn in or out in relationship to each other.

    Here is a good link to help understand your alignment:
    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4


    First off lifts!

    There are several types of lifts offered for our trucks. We'll start with the least costly. I will touch on Spacer lift kits, Coil lift kits, and Coilover lift kits. Also I will try to provide links, as they are applicable.

    Options for the front!

    Bilstien 5100's This is a great affordable lift kit. These replacement shocks are great to add a few inches to the front of your Tacoma, it is adjustable and have a slightly better valving system than the stock shocks that come with the Tacoma's. (But please take note NO One recommends it to be used in conjunction with after market coils) This may result in damage of your suspension components.

    Pro Basic kit from Toytec: $209.99
    Spacer Lifts: These are spacers made primarily out of aluminum. They are installed on top of your coils and also on top of the strut plate.

    There are spacers from Ready Lifts: http://www.readylift.com/

    This is a link to how these lifts are installed in the front: OME coils lift kits from Toytec: $299.98
    This kit comes with replacement coils for the front, 884 or 885's. These are longer replacement coils, which also come with a 1/2" Aluminum spacer. The Install will be basically the same as the spacer kit. (Link posted above)


    Coilover lift kit: $1050.00 Free s/h
    (DR Coilovers) Most common. Others are available such as Sway-A-way, Fabtech, All Pro, and Camburg to name a few?
    These are the high end of the 3" lifts. Extremely easy to install, due to the fact they come already assembled. It is simply a matter of remove and replace. They are also very versatile, in that they are adjustable. Therefore can be adjusted to fit your needs.

    Exclusive for 2wd
    Allied spindles, these spindles will yield 4" lift for your 2wd Tacoma. They cannot be used on a 4x4.
    http://amsuspensions.com/4_lift_spindle_2005_tacoma.htm

    REAR Lifts options:

    First off you have:
    Lift blocks:
    These are blocks of metal that are placed under you rear leaf packs, on top of your axles. The kit includes the lift blocks and longer U-bolts. This is the most basic of the rear lifts and adds NO additional benefits other than height.

    Add-A-Leafs
    This type of lift consists of an additional Leaf spring that has an increased arc. They added lift by increasing the curve of your rear stock spring pack. They also allow added load capacity for hauling.

    This is the instructions for the AAL rear install: Leaf Packs:
    This type of rear lift is the high end of rear lifts.
    Consists of a new multiple spring pack. Provides lift, a smoother spring rate. May add or decrease carrying capacity depending on the spring characteristics.

    This rear lift is also fairly simple to do since they come pre-assembled. Simply R&R.

    These lifts can be found at: Here is a link to Alcan:
    http://www.alcanspring.com/making.htm

    Body Lift $325.95 http://www.suspensionconnection.com/...scon/5603.html
    This is a lift that is Achieved by adding spacers to the body mounting points. This lift essentially increases the distance between the frame and the cab. This lift requires other parts such as fuel line extension, bumper brackets, and larger fender skirts to hide the increased gap, between the fender and the frame. You will also need to extend the steering unit.

    CT link basically cover same info:
    http://www.customtacos.com/tech/index.php?article=137


    Upper Control "A" arms (UCA's)

    UCA's are The A arms at the top of your Indipendant Front Suspension

    I will cover 2 Brands Camburg, and Total Chaos. There are others like All Pro or DR, but since I have No first hand experience with these I'll let others chime in on them.

    Camburg UCA's: from my experience, and from what Camburg has informed me about, were designed to give greater clearance to accommodate larger coil over coils. They are NOT designed to correct alignment issues, caused by the addition of a 3" lift.

    Total Chaos: These are UCA's specifically designed to help correct the alignment issue caused by the addition of a 3" lift.

    All Pro: Are also designed to correct Alignment issues.

    Here are some links to read in reguards to UCA's.

    Install:
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t171569.html
    Non-sense reading:
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t186179.html
    Problems with Camburg
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t171670.html
    Comparison:
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t173282.html

    Wheels and tire:
    (Thanks to MrGrimm)
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t184562.html

    Wheel Spacers (If you would like to run your stock rims? I recommend these)
    http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/p...dproduct=10887


    Q&A links
    Can you use your stock shocks with a coil lift?

    YES! But remember with a 3" lift the stock shocks will only have about 1" of down travel.
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t189189.html

    Bilstein 5100: This lift is also at it's full extent it will have only about 1" of down travel.

    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t182621.html

    Both of these lifts are limited by the length of the shock. Both will have a jarring sensation when traveling over bumps at speed.

    OME makes longer shocks which are designed for a 3" lift. This will allow better articulation of your suspension. BUT! Remember with the increased travel you will need longer brake lines.

    "possible issues"

    -After you lift your truck, and find that at speed it wanders all over the road?
    -You need a set of UCA's to correct you alignment.

    -Remember that mostly everything you alter on your truck's suspension will have an affect on other components.

    -Excessive wear on CV boots due to increased angle.
    -You can install a differential drop.

    -Rear drive line vibration or shudder.
    -Carrier bearing drop. (IMHO not a good idea)
    -Tom Woods one piece drive shaft. (So far this seems to be the only cure)

    Tire rubbing:

    Although the height is increased with a lift? The size of the wheel/fender opening remains the same.
    So in actuality the stock 265's are the biggest tire that can articulate and clear through 98% of the suspensions range of movement.

    The 285's is more for aesthetics and looks rather than serious offroading.

    If you choose to run 285's, with a 3" lift, and you want to do some serious offroading? Then you may need to cut away a portion of you front body mount, to allow the tire free movement while doing full turns.

    But don't be mistaken with this set up you can still do some great offroading! You just may encounter some rubbing of your tires.

    Please take everything I have stated with a "grain of salt" and decide for yourself!

    Good Luck!
     
  3. Feb 9, 2016 at 10:33 PM
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    Damn thats a lot to take in for a newbie like me lol. Would you recoomend this kit?

    http://www.suspensionconnection.com/52907.html
     
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  4. Feb 10, 2016 at 11:23 AM
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    IMO, suspension mods should be contingent on intended use of the truck. Said differently, if you're not doing any off roading, crawling, etc., then don't spend the $ for that type of setup. What are you using your truck for OP?
     
  5. Feb 10, 2016 at 6:22 PM
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    Afu

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    99% highway driving lol, so I dont think I will be needing new suspensions
     
  6. Feb 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM
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    MookTastic That's what she said!

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    Rough country 3in lift kit vs Bilstein 5100 shock kit... I already know what each offers in regards to height options and how/what each installs, I was curious on opinions. The rough country kit is cheaper. Because it doesn't come with front strut replacements, but it can get you a little more height??? However I think me and my preferences would a more comfortable ride. I'm assuming that would be putting 5100s all around. Again just looking for opinions in those who have experience with either/both. Fire away!
     
  7. Feb 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM
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    Feel like rough country would be better since Im mostly doing highway driving.
     
  8. Mar 8, 2016 at 5:40 PM
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    i went with bilstein 5100 set at 1.75. great ride
     

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