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Transmission 2016-2023- 6 SPEED AUTOMATICS COULD BE LOW ON FLUID DIRECTLY FROM FACTORY

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by gearcruncher, Dec 13, 2015.

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Was your transmission low on fluid?

  1. fluid level is fine

    198 vote(s)
    29.5%
  2. fluid level was low

    318 vote(s)
    47.3%
  3. Truck was built in USA and had low fluid

    155 vote(s)
    23.1%
  4. Truck was built in Mexico and had low fluid

    197 vote(s)
    29.3%
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  1. Mar 12, 2016 at 8:23 PM
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    Pportera

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    finally pulled the trigger and man'd up. I could no longer stand wondering if i was on borrowed time. I went to my local dealer and picked up 2 qts of the "genuine" sh#t atf ws for 17.88. On the way home stoped by parts store picked up a cheap fluid pump...7.49.

    First thing today i did the whole procedure as gearcruncher explained, along with the .pdf that was posted. Along with the jumper pin mod.

    I did the process once without touching the thermostat and got to over flow to trickle. Took about 1 qt here. But couldnt stand not knowing if the cooler was dry..?? So i did the process once more. This time i pined the stat. Well let me tell you the yota was still thirsty so i pumped more into it to get the steady trickle. Then capped it off. Turned it off removed the wire.
    Not much fluid was wasted during this procedure btw. This is what it took total to get the over fill to drain to trickle.
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  2. Mar 12, 2016 at 8:34 PM
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    Pportera

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    Under 30 bucks. When i test drove it i immediately could feel the difference. Even the mystery 2200rpm humveerrroom hormanics vibration thing was noticeably less, almost gone. Noticed less "knobbie tread" vibes when slowing to a stop. Over all im amazed at this. The truck is actually a blast to "play" with now.

    I got 2400 miles on it now. Hopefully i saved it quick enough.

    Oh yeah.....:luvya:the dealer!! I make things happen myself.:sawzall::welder:
     
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  3. Mar 12, 2016 at 8:40 PM
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    splitbolt

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    Thanks for posting your findings.
    Mine took 1-1/8 quart(36 ounces) unpinned.
    I plan on checking pinned tomorrow.
    If my experience mirrors yours, I should need another 20 ounces. or 0.6 quarts.
    0.6 quarts is the specified capacity of the tow package.
    I happen to have about 2,800 miles.
     
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  4. Mar 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM
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    taco 16

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    Just got my truck back from the dealer and they said they couldn't duplicate my transmission problem and said the transmission fluid level was good. I will see if I have the same problem tomorrow morning when the truck is cold. If so I will take it to another dealer, I would do it myself but I want this documented.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2016 at 6:36 AM
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    RichVT

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    Did my check yesterday with the thermostat pinned. Added about 18 ounces (0.6 quarts).

    I made up a pump/filler to make the process easier. I found a pump that fits on a gallon jug at my local hardware store. Also got a length of clear tubing (3/8" ID X 1/2" OD) and a rubber stopper. I added a short piece of copper tubing from my scrap bin (1/4" ID X 3/8" OD).
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    I removed the fill plug and inserted my filler before I started so when the temperature was right I just had to remove the check plug and start pumping. I had plenty of time.

    I used a 1/16" drill bit to pin the thermostat.
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2016 at 6:48 AM
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    RichVT

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    Fill plug is up high on the passenger side of the transmission roughly in line with the back of the pan and near the green wire. It has WS stamped on it.
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  7. Mar 13, 2016 at 6:55 AM
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    This is the thermostat. It's also on the passenger side near the front of the pan.
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    Pinned with a 1/16" drill bit:
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  8. Mar 13, 2016 at 7:30 AM
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    Excellent write up man!
     
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  9. Mar 13, 2016 at 7:32 AM
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    splitbolt

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    Undercoating?
     
  10. Mar 13, 2016 at 7:38 AM
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    Are they going to give you a new tranny? At minimum you deserve a lifetime warranty for the double fuck up from factory to the lot.
     
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  11. Mar 13, 2016 at 7:47 AM
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    Yep! A very liberal coat of Amsoil HD Metal Protector followed a day later with a coat of Fluid Film.
     
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  12. Mar 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM
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    No they didnt say anything about that. my truck only had 500miles on it when I got it checked. I dont think anything major could have happened as 90% time I drove it was very easy on it anyway
     
  13. Mar 13, 2016 at 8:14 AM
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    I'd press the issue. Being 2 quarts low could have done irreparable damage.
     
  14. Mar 13, 2016 at 8:37 AM
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    well its documented at 500miles it was 2qts low and serviced. so if I have any tranny issues I will come back on that
     
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  15. Mar 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM
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    My trans has been slipping since purchased. I took it to the dealer at Fannin Toyota in Ashland Ky and after a 6.5hr wait they would only comment, "it's difficult to tell if it was low because when we push fluid into one side of the transmission what comes out the other end is not measured." While waiting and beyond frustrated I walked back to the service dept and they had the OBDII accessed. I'm not sure if they flashed an update or not as there are no notes of it on my service slip.
    Anyways, I am still experiencing slipping when cold. I decided to measure a trans fluid and refill on my own based on the instructions in this thread... 2.8 quarts is all that was drained! I have a DC SR 4x4 V6 with a "5(Mexico)" Vin code. I'm beyond p!ssed off! How can I get Toyota to do the right thing? FYI, my u-joints were bone dry when I received it.
     
  16. Mar 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM
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    splitbolt

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    Pinned it and checked again.
    It did not take any more fluid. Weird...

    Couple things I noticed though;
    -idle sounded way different when priming it with the P-S-P procedure
    -torque converter lock-up is way different; much improved
    -D is actually tolerable; not in such a hurry to get 6th. Doesn't lug anymore.
    -smoother shifts

    It just behaves more like you would expect it to.

    Is cooler fluid flow related to torque converter lockup?
    Maybe I purged and primed everything by pinning the stat?
     
  17. Mar 13, 2016 at 4:37 PM
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    I pinned mine this time and checked again yesterday, no more fluid needed here either. Noticed it did seem to take longer getting the solid D this time vs not pinned, maybe it was colder though. Drives just as good now after fluid was added the first time, no complaints here...
     
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  18. Mar 14, 2016 at 9:18 PM
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    Took mine in today to the dealership today (got rear-ended on the way - horrible way to start the day). It had the R-D hesitation and occasional hesitation/hard shifting with 650 miles on the clock. It took 3/4 quart to get up to spec. The hesitation is pretty much gone and on the highway it behaves significantly better. Talked to the techs and they said they've seen 1 other Taco come through their doors with this issue.
     
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  19. Mar 14, 2016 at 9:28 PM
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    splitbolt

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    Glad your okay.
    How'd the truck fair?
     
  20. Mar 14, 2016 at 9:31 PM
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