Ike gauntlet Tacoma 3.5 vs Canyon 2.8 diesel...surprising uphill times

The Tundra is behind in fuel economy, features, capability, looks, image. I get the feeling that the executives at Toyota limit the amount of funding that goes into the Trucks. Which is why we have the current Tundra and why the 3rd gen Tacoma didn't get more updating. If they had full support, imagine how awesome the trucks could be.

 

Yup. Honestly the lack of support is likely because they are happy with what they are spending on those trucks right now and what they are making back. No reason to change what is working for them.

 

Imagine how good Toyota trucks would be if they put in the same effort as Ford does with the F150.

 

It would take them several years to catch up, but with enough effort I'm sure Toyota could have a reliable truck with the same stats as the F150 on the road without much difficulty.

 

Not going to happen. Every year the competition comes out with more features, new engines, transmissions. And the Tundra stays the same except for maybe a new colour. Its surprising they sell as many as they do.

 

If it ain't broke...


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1602-the-million-mile-2007-toyota-tundra/

 

Hey man, I haven't seen you around for a while. Buy a new truck yet?

 

Its takes more then just reliability to sell a full-size truck. How many people here state they if they are going to get a full-size that they are going to get a Ford F150. They buy a Tacoma for reliability but won't buy a Tundra.

 

The Tundra also loses value up here a lot faster than the Tacoma. While a Tacoma might sell used in 3-5 years and 100K miles, when most people buy a new truck, for over 20K here a similar Tundra will go for less than 20K even though they cost significantly more off the bat.

 

I have been busy...no new truck yet. Probably get flamed...kinda waiting to see the new Honda.

 

Why flamed? You said an Outback could realistically handle the area's you head out too. I'd expect the Ridgeline to go at least that far too.

 

I hope it would make that far.
I know a few people who own a Ridgeline. They all like the vehicle. Problem with the Ridgeline was the price, fuel economy and the styling.
The new one looks better (hard to make it look worse). They are promising best in class fuel economy for gas engine. No word yet on price. For what most people use a truck for the Ridgeline should suit them well.

 

Toyota could build 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton trucks, 1-ton trucks, and cargo vans that would easily match current offerings in North America. But the huge investment isn't worth the small share they'd steal from the longterm established market held by Ford, Chrysler, Chevy.

Those three have the market locked up with pretty good products.

 

True.

Do believe Toyotas target market for the Tundra are loyal Toyota owners. They don't want to own the fullsize market, but they do want to sell fullsize trucks to their already existing clientele.

I was joking, though some on here get a little upset if you look at anything other than a Tacoma.

Wife said she would divorce me if I came home with a Suby.

We will see what the mileage and price is on the Honda, I am not holding my breath. Most likely just stick to what I know..another Tacoma, can get a SR 4-Banger for $25K....pretty dang good deal. Be fine for what I am going to use it for.

The yearly fuel cost between 20 (typical Tacoma) and 30 ("if" the Honda fetches that) mpg...isn't all that much. Guessing the base 4WD Ridgeline is going to be around $32K...that $7K in savings buying the Taco instead...buys a heck of a lot of fuel.

 

Two of my neighbor's bought Tundras In the last two years when the gas prices went down. They had a GMC and a Ford company truck before. In their words, the Tundras are more capable, better off road, more powerful in the gas version, but sure like gas more. Every owner I know who owns one, and there are six all together, say the similar things. The CR reports bear it out as far as reliability ratings. But, it rides too stiff amd has other quirks for it to be recomended....they aren't mall trucks and neither are the Tacomas. That CR does not recommend either truck in the past, is not a put down. They always say, they are great off road, good work trucs and the most reliable. They just aren't car like enough and more Ford and Chevy ownes want their trucks more "car like".

 

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. In agriculture I don't know a single farm, retail, or company that has run the Tundra and kept it. The last company I worked for dumped off the last ones they had. They were too expensive to run over 5 years.

Ford, GM, and even Dodge holds up just fine in most fleets. I wasn't thrilled with the Dodge at our location but they weren't terrible over the averages. Work trucks... there's hundreds of thousands of big three trucks doing things the Tundra can't.

 

The sales have nothing to do with it. If you could look at the margins of the vehicles you'd see why.

 

Oh (just remembered)....think I am changing my tune on "Suby, can realistically handle the area's I go to". I have been way out into the boonies with the bike...it got me thinking, I need a vehicle that can come get it if I run out of fuel or break down. Tacoma is one of the few off the shelf vehicles that can do that.

So, I don't think a Suby or Ridgeline is going to work.

 

Yeah, even if it can I wouldn't want it to go anyway near rough terrain. Think about it. You basically have a van framework that you are hoping will hold up to some bad bumps and possible bruises. Yikes.

 

I can't imagine running those things down corrugated roads over long period of time...probably just fall apart.

Tacoma, toss on some decent AT tires and you're good.

There are some staging areas I get into, that would give the Suby or Ridgeline trouble without having to be super careful. Taco you just blast on through.

Think I use my Tacoma more off-road than I thought. While I don't do any rock crawling, some of those old ranch roads off the beaten path, there is no way, a Suby or Ridgeline wouldn't be able to do that without being trashed. Taco barely flinches.