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need help, out of level: suggestions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by gmann1972, Mar 13, 2016.

  1. Mar 13, 2016 at 3:42 PM
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    ok all, looking for suggestions on my unleveled lift. I put my lift on the truck (2013 DCSB) a few weeks ago, just got around to measuring all the way around at the wheel wells, here are my measurements, FD-37 7/8" / FP-38 7/8" / RD-38 7/8" / RP-39 7/8". How the hell do I get the truck level...as you can see the front of the truck is off by 1" side to side and the rear is off by 1" side to side and front to back it's off by 1"...I understand the fuel tank is on the drivers side and when that is full it will have and effect on the measurement, however the fuel tank in my truck is just about empty, that's why I waited to do the measurements. Is there anything I can do to level this out, or should I not be bothered. I will be installing firestone air bags this week..
     
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  2. Mar 14, 2016 at 8:45 PM
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    What lift did you install? Were you sure to put the driver side strut on the driver side? They are usually side specific to counter the lean by lifting the driver side more, but if you put them on the wrong sides it makes it worse by lifting the passenger side more.
     
  3. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:10 AM
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    Well I installed the Rancho suspension lift system. This lift provided me with what I was looking to achieve, I don't do a lot of severe off-roading, mainly duns, mud and such, no rock climbing, I know that's where all the fun is, but I don't like to beat on my truck too much, it's primarily used for camping to tow my 25' camper. In the installation guide it did not indicate a particular side preference for the coil overs, nor did it indicate anything on the coil over themselves, I did contact Rancho today to verify with there tech support team and they said there coil overs can be either or, no side preference. They did ask me to re-measure from the center of the hub to the wheel well and get back to them, so that's what I will do. 1" isn't a big deal, however I do have slight rubbing when backing up and turning the wheel to the left and the rubbing is on the drivers side, which is the side that is lower. I feel that if the truck had that extra 1" the tire may not rub.
     
  4. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:27 AM
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    Rancho is not a favored brand on the forum. The struts should be driver/passenger specific or else they will introduce the taco lean, almost all quality lifts are driver/passenger specific to counter this effect by lifting the driver side slightly more. You need to install a 1/4" to 1/2" spacer on the driver side to lever it out.

    See the last picture in my post here for your likely rubbing source. Just remove this front flap. Even with equal lift it will rub when the suspension compresses in reverse.
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...ior-beadlock-style-wheels-on-a-tacoma.381030/
     
  5. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:36 AM
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    Yeah I know Rancho isn't a popular brand on this forum, but I found rancho to be an easy way of figuring everything out, lift wise, at an affordable price at the time. I do like the ride and the install was easy for a first timer like me doing a lift.

    Actually that's not where the rubbing is coming from, I did remove the front flap and the front mud flaps, the tire is rubbing on the front drivers rear well welded cab mount, if this makes any sense, not home so I can't send a pic. I could probably increase the caster's setting that may help, right now I think they are at .96, but don't quote me, that info is in my truck at home.

    I have read all about the Taco lean, funny I never took noticed to it until I read about it on this forum, now it's driving me nuts,...
     
  6. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM
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    Can I ask, why Rancho isn't so popular. They have been in business for many years, and I thought had a decent reputation.
     
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    What size is the lift and what size tires are you running?
     
  8. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:39 AM
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    The lift is a 2.5" and according to Rancho I can run 285/70/17. so that's what I installed...
     
  9. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:46 AM
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    285s will rub. It requires trimming your truck to fit those tires. What they should have told you is 265/75/R16 or 265/70R17 is the largest you can fit without cutting your truck. Look up the 'cab mount chop', cutting off your cab mount and welding a new box end over the opening. You might be able to get away with 275s but they will also likely rub.

    Rancho isn't popular because on the forum because they tend to make stuff for full size, they don't specialize in our Tacomas as other brands do. The lack of side specific stuts required by our Tacomas and poor advice on tire size is clearly evidence of that.
     
  10. Mar 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM
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    Thanks dually noted on Rancho...This may not stay on the truck very long...Appreciate all the advise

    Thanks
     
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    No problem, to 'fix it' rather than replace it, you can install a spacer on the driver side to correct the lean and then run smaller tires or do the cab mount chop to correct the rub. If going with smaller tires, look for tires in C-load, like the 265/70R17 KO2s. They are much lighter than the E-loads and will provide better ride/mpgs/power ect.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2016 at 10:01 AM
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    What size spacer should I run on the drivers side if I have a 1" difference, and not to sound dumb but that spacer is installed on top of the coil over correct. and yes, I have noticed a difference in the ride on the "E" rated tires, I just hope it won't effect the truck when I tow my camper. I'm not to concerned with the MPG, this truck isn't driven very often, only in the summer when camping and in the winter when the wife needs to take it to work if it's snowing. Good thing I like learning...although it's at a cost
     
  13. Mar 15, 2016 at 10:25 AM
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    1/4" spacer is typically used, like this, though correctly designed lifts usually do it by correcting at the spring seat:
    https://bilsteinlifts.com/shop/toyo...ont-lifts/front-top-plate-spacer-one-14-inch/

    If it isn't a daily driver I wouldn't worry about it, but smaller/lighter tires will have less effect on lost towing power than heavier larger tires which effectively reduce gearing causing the truck to work harder.
     
  14. Mar 15, 2016 at 10:47 AM
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    Thanks for all your input...really appreciate it...I will have to order spacers
     

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