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rear spring pack help!!

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by TacoRolla01, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. Apr 28, 2016 at 4:47 PM
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    New to the forum and I have an issue with my 03 tacoma,it has 2.5 inch front lift spacers,all is good in the front end,but in the rear it is the original spring pack but with 2 extra leafs added,i used all new hardware and had the spring packs put together at a local fab shop.installed the spring packs and as expected my stock rear shocks do not fit anymore,i have read many threads about measuring for new shocks after installing a lift.the method i used was,remove both rear shocks and lift truck by from from one side until the tire just lifts off the ground,at this point measure the distance from the upper and lower shock mounts.
    I think my spring packs may be to heavy as this is what i got for measurements,
    extended shock length-23 inches
    compressed shock length-22.5 inches

    Hardly any articulation from one side to the other when lifted fully off the ground from one side.
    any suggestions?
    Thanks!
     
  2. Apr 28, 2016 at 4:56 PM
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    The only way to know exact measurements is to break down the leaf pack and cycle the suspension. You won't be able to cycle a fully loaded leafpack in a driveway. I do this by breaking down the pack to just the main leaf and cycling bump/droop travel. Like so:

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    Now there is a simpler way if you don't want to break down the pack. It's not as exact, but will work almost as well. Just need a piece of string that doesn't stretch and a sharpie.

    Tie a piece of string around the front spring hanger bolt and lay it across your leaf pack so that it traces the arch to bolt on the the bottom of the shackle/rear spring pack. Mark the end of the string with a sharpie at the shackle/spring bolt. Then disconnect the spring pack from the lower shackle and pull the string taut rearwards along the axis of the shackle rotation as if the string was the leaf pack. With the string flat and taut, that would be your leaf pack perfectly flat at full bump with no negative arch.



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  3. Apr 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM
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    This where I'm at,I was told all I should have to do to measure for my new shocks is lift the truck by the frame by one rear wheel,both shocks removed,measure from upper mount to lower mount and this is my extended shock height needed.then with truck still lifted and the other side shock off as well measure this distance from mount to mount again for compressed shock length,is this true or false?

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  4. Apr 28, 2016 at 6:02 PM
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    It's kinda true...but you will never be able to cycle the spring pack with all the leafs in it. You'd have to break it down to main leaf.
    Alternatively...the bottom of the bump stop is theoretically the highest the spring pack can go. You could try to use that as a reference point.

    It's been A LONG time since I measured for stock mounting locations/leaf pack. But I think drivers side was 14.75" compressed and passenger side is 15.5". Yes they are different lengths because one angles forward, and one angles backward.
     
  5. Apr 28, 2016 at 6:08 PM
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    The measurements I got were,extended-23inch,and compressed,22.5 Inches on the passenger side.does this make any sense?
     
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    Seems like I need to remove a leaf to gain some articulation ? Maybe the plys I added were to thick and inhibit side to side articulation in the rear end?
     
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    The weight of the truck is not enough alone to fully articulate the spring pack. Remember the leaf pack is intended to allow for additional weight in the bed (or towing) and to allow for suspension movement while driving and hitting bumps and crap too. When you lift the truck by the axle with a jack, you're only lifting the sprung weight. Daily driving will induce more articulation because of newton's first law. This would be the same for ANY spring pack on ANY truck, old or new, modified or stock. If you want to fully cycle/articulate the spring pack, break it down to the main leaf like I showed earlier. Just add wood or metal spacers the same thickness of your spring pack since you are spring over.
     
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    Pretty well layed-out & accurate as per Mr JBerry's standards
     
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    Op when trying to cycle your rear suspension lifting it from the frame wont let you get a measurement worth a shit, same goes for trying to do it by the axle too. Its best to do it by lifting from the tire. I know thats kinda hard to do. A forklift is best if you have access. Move the forks close to eachother to cradle the tire and lift it. Another and much easier way would be to find a ditch or some place that you can drive on to-in to that will articulate your rear end till its tetter tottering with one wheel kinda hanging in the air. Make sense?? Put some weight in the bed while doing this too to mimic real world conditions best as possible.
     
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    Great!used this tip and figured out the answers to my question!thanks!
     
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    I find it's better to articulate one side of the suspension in the front, while fully articulating the other side of the suspension in the rear, in order to get the packs really crushed and/or extended.

    A ditch is good for this. Or of course, some sort of flex-ramps. Put one ramp under the front tire and another ramp under the rear tire on the opposite side, drive up it, check it. This isn't scientific, and won't measure the same with varying bed loads, but it's decently comprehensive.
     
  12. May 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM
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    This is great Info!any suggestions on my other thread about a machine shop recommending I shim my flywheel after having to remove 20 thous of an inch off the surface?
     
  13. May 11, 2016 at 4:33 PM
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    I called a local clutch and Tranny shop and they said my slave should take up the distance removed from the flywheel,just want to verify before I put it back together!
     
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    So after reading I wanna make sure I understand; to measure compression length its best to disassemble the pack and flex it that way, but to measure extension can you just lift the rear so that the rear axle hangs and take that measurement?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Great. And when looking for shocks after replacing leaf springs will the extended length shorten as the pack settles? I'm asking because I installed a pair of General Spring HD leafs 2 months ago and am still getting excessively long measurements. Thanks
     
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    Ride hight will settle. Compressed and droop length are constant.
     
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