Any info on the 2017 tacomas

Reference link please to said engineer's statement.

 

It will be the same damn engine for the next 5 years at least bud, this isn't GM.

 

I can't talk for the rest of the group, but I am a "Don't buy first year anything type guy" and I am tired of waiting. Just hoping all the bugs are worked out.

 

This truck is no longer a first run. Likely there will not be anything significant changed. It's not as if they've reengineered the truck and it has yet to be tested. Typically each consecutive run of the same generation vehicle will get small assembly line tweaks as they try to better fit what they "think" the consumer wants/needs.

 

I feel exactly the same way I am not big on buying first year anything as you can see the amount of problems people are having with these trucks. The 2017 may have problems as well but I suspect they won't be as many as the 2016. I remember when the gen2 05 first came out and I decided to wait another. When the gen2 06 came out I jumped on it and never had any major problems with it.

 

Not much will change if anything, such was the case for gen 2. Most issues, some don't even have any, are not design issues, but assembly/part issues such as low fluid for transmission and a supposed ecu update which 16s will get in a TSB. Leaking diffs, which also isn't a design issue, were a bad seal or incorrect gear manufacturing tolerance. The howling noise was already addressed with TSB plugs and entune crashes will be a software update. 2017s will be in no way different parts/design so if any fluids are low, seals not pressed right, something not correct during assembly or from part manufacturer it will show up in 17s too. We won't know of any legitimate "bugs" that everyone keeps talking about until years down the road with the new engine/transmission combo, a year won't tell you much. What little nuances seen on the 16s aren't design related but QDR related. Its not a total redesign, ALOT is carried over and a year won't reveal any issues on a new powertrain. I think its funny so many waiting for a 17 as if something will change, maybe they will come filled from the factory, plugs in the lower control arms, but thats about it.

 

Might be true but those are them bugs that have been exterminated and '17 owners might not need to worry about and if so there is more than enough documentation out there for quicker fixes.

 

Or have the same issues, they aren't really design bugs like everyone keeps talking about, but issues with QDR (low fluids, faulty parts), Toyota isn't even acknowledging the low transmission fluid issue which means a few 17's will have the same issue I bet, and guarantee there will be 17s that have a leaking diff seal, or a not fully installed pulley, etc. Again all QDR issues, not actual design issues, those we wont see for years to come. Hell the 2nd gens had the same known crappy leaf springs from

$73 2005-2015 Toyota Tacoma With 4L Right Petrol intake air snorkel kit high performance system compatible kit Replacement black Rotational Molding (2005-2015)

2005-2015.

 

Your very correct. Most problems seem to stem from the assembly line. Not really sure how many are design, or engineering issues. Most of these should have been caught and corrected by now. Will there still be problems? Absolutely. Will some be the same issues we've seen on the '16's? Possibly but they shouldn't be in the same capicity. Will there still be problems in 2018? Yep, problems will always occur. More so while humans are building them. Machines and robots also make mistakes and have errors. The key is quality control. That a department where Toyota has stood tall for many years however it seems to have been taking a nose dive perhaps in recent years. I think a lot of it has to do with them being more built in America unfortunately

 

Exactly! Your going to get the same Tacoma design/component wise (except pwr sliding window or whatever) in 2019 as you will in 2016. Maybe your transmission fluid will be full and drive shaft lubed properly but not sure why everyone keeps referring to the old moto of never buy a first year design, its not really all that new, most components are from Toyota's parts bin and time will tell if the new powertrain is as reliable as the old, but that's away's away. If you scroll through the 2nd gen section, there were plenty of QDR issues with those trucks from

$73 2005-2015 Toyota Tacoma With 4L Right Petrol intake air snorkel kit high performance system compatible kit Replacement black Rotational Molding (2005-2015)

2005-2015.

 

If Toyota finds production problems on the line. They will want to fix those problems as soon as possible. They aren't going to wait until they start building the next model year then make any necessary changes.
They also need to update the logic on the Transmissions. They will adapt and the shifting will become better after driving. But why can't they program the shift points better from the get go?

 

yeah, you're probably right. The 2.7 is already pretty long in the tooth, though. But its likely a small percentage of total sales, so not a priority to Toyota. If it stops selling they will just drop it. The 3.5 V6 buzzer problem better get fixed though, or the GM twins, and in 2018, the reborn Ford Ranger, and redesigned Frontier will give ppl a lot more options. Look out Tojo, they are gainin on ya!

 

Cannot give you a reference as it was straight from the horses mouth. I attended an event put on by Autoguide to test drive the 2016 Tacoma, which has been posted on youtube (check here for one episode) http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/to...ck-guys-test-2016-toyota-tacoma-off-road.html
They had a senior engineer from Toyota who attended to answer any of our questions.
When asked about many items, such as drum brakes, auto down windows, power seats, etc he was quite sheepish, and said they were mostly cost driven. I asked if he could announce anything that had been finalized, and he mentioned that a power slider would be the next addition after the 2016 model year. @Dropitmore attended the event with myself, he could vouch for me.

 

Interesting how your 2017 will be here before my 2016. $.02

 

I'm looking forward to this.

 

I can only imagine what a pain in the ass getting a new engine through USA EPA standards are these days especially after the whole VW scandal. I don't expect to see a change in engine anytime soon.

I think you'll see a lot of manufacturers utilizing existing engines (in their own production fleet offerings) and tweaking them to fit newly designed trucks/cars.

If a company is able to squeeze a couple more MPG's from an existing readily available engine & transmission combo and drop it in a new vehicle I think that's how its gonna go and be the new norm... unless competition forces them to do otherwise.

At lease with more stiff competition Toyota may be forced to up their game and go above and beyond to assure they get customer's business. I hope the Ford Ranger and even the new Frontier blows the doors off the mid-size truck market forcing Toyota to take a step back and refining this 3rd gen design.

3rd gen as a lot going for it and can definitely be better.

 

I just want air conditioned seats in a TRD OR. Mmmmm. Breezy on the back roads (pun intended).

 

I have to believe that with time the production process becomes less error-prone and that fixable bugs are indeed fixed. For instance, the transmission fluid debacle should be an utter non-issue for the '17 models (will it? don't F it up, Toyota). Will the 2017 model be of higher general quality than the 2017? It certainly should be, if only marginally.

 

Hopefully Toyota will make some improvements to our Tacoma....I love good competition in the pick-up truck arena.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/11/mazda-isuzu-pickup-truck-partnership-official/

http://rmautobuzz.com/10-best-trucks-coming-2017/12/

 

agreed...competition will only make good things happen. Other than the engine thing, I am still a fan of the 3 gen. Things might be changing a bit already. I saw a promotion on the TSS Tacomas a week after I bought mine. $2260 off sticker. Which is more than I was able to negotiate off mine. But what is a TSS??