Canada BS Thread

Pfffft. Amateur.

 

THATS NOT FUNNY , YOU MIGHT "RUB SOME PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY" AND I'LL GET ANOTHER 7 DAY BAN

 

1. If I didn't rub people the wrong way, I wouldn't have a job.
2. Fuck Trump.
3. But you're "unbannable," which apparently means something else in up there in Kandadia.

 

NOT IT

 

Remember - Dick "is not a common Strumpet."

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jim-prentice-plane-crash-killed-1.3804941

Former Premier of Alberta died in a plane crash on Thursday night.

 

Sunken tug diesel spill in the Great Bear Rainforest is not easing any concerns about Federal world class oil spill clean up as far as more oil tanker traffic is concerned

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-bc-central-coast/article32426007/?cmpid=rss1

 

Last I checked a tug is not an oil pipeline... that being said though no pipelines will ever get approved through BC so the Feds will never have to follow through on their promises for a better oil cleanup response. As long as BC has a "not in my backyard", philosophy nothing will change.

 

"Increased oil tanker traffic"

Last I checked , they weren't planning on building a pipeline directly to China , lol

 

Lack of transfer payments from Alberta and Ontario + No one in Ottawa cares = Zero fucks given. Sad but true.

BC will see even less Federal help once Saskatchewan economy has been strangled by market forces and politics as well.

 

Oh , I gotcha , so they are building a pipeline to China , thanks for clearing that up

 

Which pipeline is actually approved? I mean to the point of ground breaking? Zero for BC, last time I checked anyways. Sure a few have all the i's dotied and t's crossed on the business side but the red tape arrayed by first nation rights and lobby group appeals have stopped them dead in the water from a literal sense.

Long and short unless BC needs spill protection because of a very public large pipeline project being approved they won't receive the resources they want for spill protection. Of course BC won't let a pipeline get approved until the resources, and more slush money, is in place. It's a vicious cycle and right now there isn't the economic demand or tax dollars to power it further.

 

Trans Mountain and Northern Gateway were approved with conditions by the NEB , Northern Gateway was approved with conditions by the Conservatives and Trans Mountain will likely be approved with conditions by the Liberals

Northern Gateway's approval was subsequently overturned because the Feds and BC didn't obey the law

One of the conditions is spill response which has been shown over and over is inadequate

 

So no pipelines have actually had ground broken? Sounds like what I said.

 

Yeah , generally work doesn't start before things get approved

Plus work can only commence once all conditions are deemed to be met , you know , the ones set out by the Feds and the NEB

 

My point exactly. No better oil cleanup response funding will come until a pipeline is under construction. It's just not a priority and given economic/political conditions that won't change. Vice versa BC, both politically and privately, won't allow any pipeline construction to start without that oil cleanup response funding.

Long and short it's a cluster because neither side will make the first concession or step.

 

Basically funding is the only thing that would push any of this forward and neither the corporate world nor the federal government has the desire to throw money at the problem. It's really not even as simple as a spill response plan and funding. It goes beyond that. Lots of grease with the reserves and lobby groups will also have to be paid.

 

I'm not sure why you always go into this "not in my backyard BC" routine every time this comes up . The fact remains that the majority of the opposition to the pipelines proposed is not so much with the pipelines themselves ( although that is the case in parts of Metro Vancouver ) but to the massive increase in tanker traffic and resulting increase in a castastrophic oil spill of dilbit for which there is no proven way to clean up in tide water because it sinks . To suggest that the coastal resident's of BC are out of line to oppose the pipelines when there has been zero evidence that a clean up is even feasible is a bit daft . There has to be a robust spill response capability proven before commencment to alleviate concerns here , it's not good enough to say " hey don't worry about it , we'll figure that out later "

 

My point is more that it's not as simple as a paid response plan and infrastructure from either the private or public side equating to a groundbreaking on pipeline work. If it was that simple private industry would have such a plan and infrastructure setup by now. Unfortunately that metro Vancouver crowd and their lobbiests, and the reserves along the pipeline routes as well as those with any costal lands, will never be happy with any reasonable response plan. The amount of money it will take to appease them, whether it's through straight payouts or additional privately funded safety measures and I would suggest they will demand both, is completely unknown and likely far more than the industry can support. That's the problem from the private side.

On the political side the issue just isn't a priority clearly to this government and it won't be until a pipeline hits the ground, which I've already explained.

 

The current oil economy has killed off the companies and leadership that would of cut the type of cheques that could push this through. At $50 a barrel or less the oil companies have streamlined and won't invest their capital without clear returns. Risk and stupidity are at a low. Dumping money into an extreme uncertain cost situation won't happen and that's exactly what this is.

I don't see any pipelines being built through BC unless that changes or Federal attitudes change. I don't see that happening in this decade.