1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site
    Quick Links: Getting ready to rebuild my shocks what do I need? Pic: Truck pulls left...alignment guys 05 saggy front end. Replace with newer model struts? Top Strut Plate and other parts needed to install OME kit? Your experience with Add -a - Leaf or Add Lift Helper Springs. New Tacoma Products From Dirt King Fabricaiton

Mid Travel BS 2.0

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by 2ndGenJonny, Jan 12, 2016.

Page 208 of 315
  1. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:36 PM
    #4141
    snowboard704

    #4141
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    No I understand that.

    The current #600 coil supports the front end (first gen). Just wondering if re-valving the shim stack on my current #600 coil setup like he said would be more beneficial than switching to a #650 coil and possibly re-valving?
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4141
  2. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:37 PM
    #4142
    2ndGenJonny

    #4142
    2ndGenJonny [OP] Well-Known Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2013
    Member:
    #94306
    Messages:
    18,457
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Gilbert, AZ
    It could very well be a good option vs springs.
     
    2ndGenJonny, Oct 25, 2016
    #4142
  3. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:38 PM
    #4143
    VolcomTacoma

    #4143
    VolcomTacoma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Member:
    #57205
    Messages:
    20,617
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jeff
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    2015 TRD Sport 4x4 6 Speed Supercharged
    Front- Camburg 4x4 Long Travel 2.5" King Coilovers 2.5" King Triple Bypasses Wheelers Superbumps Rear- DMZ SUA 16" 3.0 King Triple Bypasses 3" 2.0 Fox bumps Wheels and Tires- 295/75/16 Toyo ATII XTREME SCS SR8 Dark Matte Bronze 16" Lighting- (2) 30" Combo light bars (4) Iggycorp diffused pods Tepui Ayer TRD Supercharger URD Mark III 3" Exhaust URD 4x4 Y Pipe URD CAI URD 2.85 Stealth Pulley Hurst Core Shifter with Hurst T URD Stage 3 clutch URD Lightweight flywheel URD Throw out bearing upgrade AEM Wideband AFR Gauge Speedhut Boost Gauge Craven Speed Flex Pod mount Weathertech Floor Liners BAMF Sliders Ultragauge sPod SE ARB CKMTA12 Hella Supertone horns Relentless Tailgate Reinforcement
    Pics? How much preload are you running? To much preload and yeah you need a a heavier spring. But if your preload is ok but your truck is handling like garbage, then yes look in to valving
     
    VolcomTacoma, Oct 25, 2016
    #4143
    Gramps and snowboard704 like this.
  4. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:38 PM
    #4144
    stairgod

    #4144
    stairgod NOOB

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Member:
    #161924
    Messages:
    7,965
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jo n
    PA/NJ
    Vehicle:
    2011 MGM Trail Limo
    Locked Boosted 35s
    Now that is ass high. Dakars with extra leaf but top overload removed.

    20160922_171857.jpg
     
    stairgod, Oct 25, 2016
    #4144
  5. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:43 PM
    #4145
    snowboard704

    #4145
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    IMG_2272.jpg Low quality pic but you get the idea
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4145
  6. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:45 PM
    #4146
    snowboard704

    #4146
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    Yea, coil 14in. How does the #650 feel?
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4146
  7. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:47 PM
    #4147
    T-Rex266

    #4147
    T-Rex266 SpaceX Director Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Member:
    #53447
    Messages:
    28,258
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Elon
     
    T-Rex266, Oct 25, 2016
    #4147
    jberry813, T4RFTMFW, Squeaky Penguin and 2 others like this.
  8. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:51 PM
    #4148
    jberry813

    #4148
    jberry813 Professional Fluffer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Member:
    #49636
    Messages:
    28,478
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Lake Tahoe
    Vehicle:
    2012 DCSB Sport
    ...too much shit to list.
    Hooks law is linear. Meaning it requires the exact same amount of force to compress a higher spring rate with less preload when compared to a lower spring rate with more preload. F =kx where F= force, k= spring rate constant (assuming linear springs), and x is the delta of the distance from the unloaded spring to the amount of preload you have.

    I like to run the lightest spring rate I can to get the ride height I want without running into coil bind issues from too much preload to cause coil bind. After that...it's all valving.
     
    jberry813, Oct 25, 2016
    #4148
    a.smo, At The Helm, Gramps and 3 others like this.
  9. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:55 PM
    #4149
    jberry813

    #4149
    jberry813 Professional Fluffer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Member:
    #49636
    Messages:
    28,478
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Lake Tahoe
    Vehicle:
    2012 DCSB Sport
    ...too much shit to list.
    But then again...we could get into elastic potential energy stored in a compressed spring where increasing spring rate increases stored energy linearly while the change in spring distance from preload increases potential energy exponentially. At that point I'd rather just go get drunk and let you guys fight it out.
     
    jberry813, Oct 25, 2016
    #4149
    a.smo, Arcticelf, Gramps and 1 other person like this.
  10. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:56 PM
    #4150
    snowboard704

    #4150
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    Thanks for clearing it all up and makes a lot more sense now.

    With the 14in coil and #600 coil I do not get binding.

    So from now I'll see about Revalving to get the ride quality im after. Have any valving #s/suggestions off the top of your head for a 1st gen I could try out?
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4150
  11. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:57 PM
    #4151
    Goobersbro

    #4151
    Goobersbro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Member:
    #166262
    Messages:
    1,899
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    North of Sacramento
    Vehicle:
    2015 dcsb o.r
    Locker anytime mod Pelfrey armor Warn recovery
    So they reccomened me to run 700lb coils on 14" springs does that seem right? I've seen some guys are running 16" springs
     
    Goobersbro, Oct 25, 2016
    #4151
  12. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:58 PM
    #4152
    2ndGenJonny

    #4152
    2ndGenJonny [OP] Well-Known Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2013
    Member:
    #94306
    Messages:
    18,457
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Gilbert, AZ
    Do you know how you are currently valved from DSM? Still have the green tag?
     
    2ndGenJonny, Oct 25, 2016
    #4152
    snowboard704[QUOTED] likes this.
  13. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:58 PM
    #4153
    stumbles

    #4153
    stumbles 1 eye

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2014
    Member:
    #136442
    Messages:
    4,391
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    bryan
    mesa
    Vehicle:
    2002 White Double Cab
    Yes.
     
    stumbles, Oct 25, 2016
    #4153
  14. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:58 PM
    #4154
    stairgod

    #4154
    stairgod NOOB

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Member:
    #161924
    Messages:
    7,965
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jo n
    PA/NJ
    Vehicle:
    2011 MGM Trail Limo
    Locked Boosted 35s
    That could be a fun convo
     
    stairgod, Oct 25, 2016
    #4154
  15. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:59 PM
    #4155
    stairgod

    #4155
    stairgod NOOB

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Member:
    #161924
    Messages:
    7,965
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jo n
    PA/NJ
    Vehicle:
    2011 MGM Trail Limo
    Locked Boosted 35s
    Sounds like a recipe for coil bind
     
    stairgod, Oct 25, 2016
    #4155
  16. Oct 25, 2016 at 6:59 PM
    #4156
    VolcomTacoma

    #4156
    VolcomTacoma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Member:
    #57205
    Messages:
    20,617
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jeff
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    2015 TRD Sport 4x4 6 Speed Supercharged
    Front- Camburg 4x4 Long Travel 2.5" King Coilovers 2.5" King Triple Bypasses Wheelers Superbumps Rear- DMZ SUA 16" 3.0 King Triple Bypasses 3" 2.0 Fox bumps Wheels and Tires- 295/75/16 Toyo ATII XTREME SCS SR8 Dark Matte Bronze 16" Lighting- (2) 30" Combo light bars (4) Iggycorp diffused pods Tepui Ayer TRD Supercharger URD Mark III 3" Exhaust URD 4x4 Y Pipe URD CAI URD 2.85 Stealth Pulley Hurst Core Shifter with Hurst T URD Stage 3 clutch URD Lightweight flywheel URD Throw out bearing upgrade AEM Wideband AFR Gauge Speedhut Boost Gauge Craven Speed Flex Pod mount Weathertech Floor Liners BAMF Sliders Ultragauge sPod SE ARB CKMTA12 Hella Supertone horns Relentless Tailgate Reinforcement
    Hi I want to fit 37s on my truck with the shocks I have that are preloaded, can I still use the rims I have with the weight of all the extra stuff I have up front. Also will it rub?
     
    VolcomTacoma, Oct 25, 2016
    #4156
    Goobersbro, kaptankaos and stairgod like this.
  17. Oct 25, 2016 at 7:02 PM
    #4157
    snowboard704

    #4157
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    No sorry, they are the stock valving from DSM for the first gen ext coilovers but can’t read the pic I have of the green tags.

    Only have valving #s for the rear :frusty:
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4157
  18. Oct 25, 2016 at 7:03 PM
    #4158
    jberry813

    #4158
    jberry813 Professional Fluffer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Member:
    #49636
    Messages:
    28,478
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Lake Tahoe
    Vehicle:
    2012 DCSB Sport
    ...too much shit to list.
    There are so many factors. Spring rate, unsprung weight, sprung weight, coilover angle, not to mention what you have in the rear of the truck. It's not cookie cutter. Most of my valving is trial and error. And all of the valving I did on my first gen was with a LT front end which changes the shock angle. I'd have to start from scratch with your truck.

    You can't fit a 16" coil on MT shocks. Well...you can, but you would have to preload them about 2". 14" is the correct length



    And now........



    [​IMG]
     
    jberry813, Oct 25, 2016
    #4158
    Spagget13, Goobersbro[QUOTED], Gramps and 3 others like this.
  19. Oct 25, 2016 at 7:03 PM
    #4159
    snowboard704

    #4159
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    Haha Ill accept the mocking, ill be a good sport about it unlike some others on the thread:thumbsup::anonymous:
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4159
    DannyBFresco, jberry813, stairgod and 1 other person like this.
  20. Oct 25, 2016 at 7:05 PM
    #4160
    snowboard704

    #4160
    snowboard704 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Member:
    #174104
    Messages:
    2,699
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Austin
    Jurupa Valley, CA
    Vehicle:
    03' 4x4 Tacoma
    Check Build thread
    Alright thanks again for all the helpful knowledge and dealing with my bs questions:hattip:
     
    snowboard704, Oct 25, 2016
    #4160
    jberry813[QUOTED] likes this.
Page 208 of 315

Products Discussed in

ARP 1007715 Wheel Stud Kit for Lexus
$40.42
FK Bearings WSSX16T Spherical Bearing with Teflon, 1" (1-3/8 Wide), 1 Pack
$56.99
Old Man Emu D29XL Leaf Spring
$81.89
Seaboard High Density Polyethylene Sheet, Matte Finish, 1/2" Thick, 12" Length x 24" Width, Black
$48.45
Energy Suspension- 9.4101G UNIVERSAL MOUNT
$33.99
Teraflex 4807200 Air Deflator
$20.99
ENERGY SUSPN Energy Suspension 8.10106G Rack & Pinnion Bushing Set
$72.41
BOESHIELD T-9 Rust & Corrosion Protection/Inhibitor and Waterproof Lubrication, 12 oz.
$20.98
To Top