Guns, Military, and the Californian Government

Your in the military the CA govt restricts your weapon possesion?

 

Yes. While on military installation you don't have to follow state law, but the second you get off that base you're fair game to the local and state police.

 

This is not a political statement! ANY LAW THAT FORBIDS YOU THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF WITH A FIREARM IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ITS YOUR DUTY AS AN AMERICAN TO BREAK THAT FALSE LAW

To all off you serving in the military we the people are counting on you and you alone to uphold your oath and fight for the countrymen you sworn to protect.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE !

 

Yeah. Even our (CG) sexual assault response is modified because of CA law. I see a lot of "scary guns"at gun shows and the range here, as has been said, be smart and you shouldn't have any issues. That being said I shipped all my guns to Colorado when I was stationed in Hawaii because they were also less keen on gun owners...and they had a ton of black rifles in the gun shops there.

 

It's always the more restrictive regulation that is the end word. As with AFI's the CO can always make them more restrictive, same goes in the case for guns. I live in California but my guns are back home with family in a "free-er" state..

 

Are you BO/BTM? You may be convered by LEOSA... maybe.

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Funny story. While stationed in NYC, I kept my gear at the CGPD armory and checked it out weekly to shoot down in PA because I lived off base. Several black rifles, pistols, etc.

 

I am a BO. Unfortunately LEOSA only covers the carrying of concealed weapons, not the importation of California deemed "assault weapons". LEOSA is even a sketchy route as the LEOSA law states that we have to have an identification card that designates one as a law enforcement officer. As you know, the CAC doesn't denote any of that. There was also a ALCOAST saying that basically the CG won't have your back if you invoke LEOSA.

Things are looking up however, I may be going to MSRT in Virginia, which loves guns so I'm good.

 

You have some case law on your side, maybe. LEOSA is an 'affirmative defense', after all. Personally, I'm not risking my career, but FWIW, there have been successful defenses of both weapon type restrictions and CG as LEO establishing a bit of case law on your behalf.

And yeah, I know about the ALCOAST. I kept my NYC non compliant gear in the CGPD armory for a reason.

 

I really wish they'd rewrite that LEOSA to make it more bulletproof. I tried talking to the MCPOCG and he basically was like nope, CG doesn't care to ever change its stance on LEOSA. Pretty disappointing.

By the way, are you stationed in Seattle by chance?

 

You don't notice the big red boat in the background?

 

Haha I've seen that boat a few times in my life. My wife was stationed at Base Seattle while I was at STA Neah Bay at the end of the world. Can't wait to get back up that way.

 

If you do get stuck down in Cali, I do believe it is legal to own an Ar. I think they have to be registered and have the bullet button installed. Probably a mag size restriction also would be my guess. I have no idea on an Ak and please do not take my word as law. Do your own research and trust the "word" of no one. Have it in writing for obvious reasons. Thankfully it's been over 20 years since I was stationed down there.

 

The crazy part is that some AR's are legal to own in California, but because I have a bushmaster, it is never legal to own as it is banned specifically by name, along with Colt and a few others.

 

I had no idea about that. Stupidest shit I've ever heard of. An Ar is an Ar and the manufacturer roll mark is the only difference, which makes no difference.

 

Thanks ForeRunner, that is a bunch of good information. I am also going to heed your advice and make every attempt to stay away from that state.

 

Actually if your a married soldier and live in on post in housing you can store your own weapons, only if your a single soldier in the barracks you have to keep your weapons in the arms room.

 

California's law regarding so-called 'assault weapons' is so screwed up specifically because the whole category itself was entirely made up BS. 'Assault weapon' was just a fictitious label they created in order to vilify certain guns, but they themselves had no functional definition at all about what one was - all they had was the name. So when they passed their first AWB back in the 1980s, since they couldn't define what one was, they just listed all the ones they knew about by name. That's why rifles that specifically have a roll mark that says 'AR-15' or 'Galil' are banned completely, no matter what, unless they were registered and grandfathered in.

Gun manufacturers though, being a little smarter than the average California politician, just started changing their roll marks. It's perfectly legal to own the exact same rifle as long as it doesn't have that name. Century Arms, for example, made Galil clones, but called them Golanis instead, and suddenly you can own it in California. Same thing with ARs and AKs - as long as they're not called or marked as such, they were legal.

So ten years later, California amended the law to identify 'assault weapons' by features, rather than just names, to try to catch all these 'evil' guns that they hadn't named. They added things like any semiautomatic with a detachable mag that had a flash hider (though muzzle brakes are ok), folding or collapsible stock, bayonet lug, barrel shroud, pistol grip or a mag that does not insert into the grip (to deal with Tec-9s). Essentially a ridiculous list of mostly cosmetic features that make them look scary but don't change their functioning.

Then people started getting around all that with bullet buttons, which avoided the detachable mag requirement and so meant you could have all the other 'evil' features still. Now California's gotten wise to that as well. But because the whole idea of 'assault weapons' is bogus in the first place, and the state has to keep modifying the law every time gun owners change their behavior in a way that shows just how stupid the law is by circumventing it, what you have now are multiple layers of stupidity they have to keep piling on just to keep the law somewhat viable.